caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) The baseball blog "Bleacher Report" is often interesting, but to already claim Cleveland Indians' star Grady Sizemore is on track to be the second-best center fielder ever does not help its credibility. That's not to knock Sizemore, one of baseball's top impact players. Sizemore, now in his fifth full major league season, is going to have to do a lot more, though, and for a long time, to even get into the conversation as one of, say, the 10 best players ever at his position. Let's limit that talk to Mays, Dimaggio, Mantle, Cobb, Griffey, Jr. etc., for now. It's fun to talk in "all-time" terms, but folly to take a few statistics spanning a few years and translate them into a laughable (for now at least) claim. Grady Sizemore is on pace to be the second best center fielder of all-time. Some traditionalists may have a problem with this assessment, but look at the numbers. Over a 162-game season, Sizemore has averaged 40 doubles, eight triples, 27 home runs, and 28 stolen bases. This gives him a total of 103, trailing only Ty Cobb (109) in this production profile. Similarly, Carlos Beltran has put up numbers that would make him the third best center fielder of all-time. Yeah, better than Willie Mays. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155644-...aying-right-now Link to full article Edited April 14, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 We should trade Carlos Quentin to the Mariners for Jarrod Washburn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) The baseball blog "Bleacher Report" is often interesting, but to already claim Cleveland Indians' star Grady Sizemore is on track to be the second-best center fielder ever does not help its credibility. That's not to knock Sizemore, one of baseball's top impact players. Sizemore, now in his fifth full major league season, is going to have to do a lot more, though, and for a long time, to even get into the conversation as one of, say, the 10 best players ever at his position. Let's limit that talk to Mays, Dimaggio, Mantle, Cobb, Griffey, Jr. etc., for now. It's fun to talk in "all-time" terms, but folly to take a few statistics spanning a few years and translate them into a laughable (for now at least) claim. Grady Sizemore is on pace to be the second best center fielder of all-time. Some traditionalists may have a problem with this assessment, but look at the numbers. Over a 162-game season, Sizemore has averaged 40 doubles, eight triples, 27 home runs, and 28 stolen bases. This gives him a total of 103, trailing only Ty Cobb (109) in this production profile. Similarly, Carlos Beltran has put up numbers that would make him the third best center fielder of all-time. Yeah, better than Willie Mays. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155644-...aying-right-now Link to full article Their method is to add up XBH and SB per 162 and value them equally. That's terrible. Edited April 14, 2009 by JorgeFabregas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Why the f*** do people read bleacher report? It's some of the dumbest s*** on the internet. I have no idea why google news links to that god forsaken site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 02:07 PM) Why the f*** do people read bleacher report? It's some of the dumbest s*** on the internet. I have no idea why google news links to that god forsaken site. That. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 As the past two people have said, you really shouldn't get all worked up over anything posted on Bleacher Report. Any idiot can create an account and post whatever idiotic article full of flawed logic, horrendously one-sided trade ideas or flat-out inaccurate assertions that they feel like writing in their spare time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) I mean, I assume we all know that the Hawk would just put Carlos Gomez at the #1 CF of all time, right? Edited April 14, 2009 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 02:35 PM) As the past two people have said, you really shouldn't get all worked up over anything posted on Bleacher Report. Any idiot can create an account and post whatever idiotic article full of flawed logic, horrendously one-sided trade ideas or flat-out inaccurate assertions that they feel like writing in their spare time. That's why I find it sooo frustrating when I read a trade rumor on say Google news, a team message board or a blog and the source is 15 year old Trevor from Waukesha Wisconsin who thinks Bill Hall is going to be dealt to the Yankees for Phillip Hughes. I guess on the internet anyone with an email account, 5 free minutes and a wild imagination is a reliable news source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 This discussion reminds me of this article: Bench Quentin for Owens http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=64387 At the time, it seemed like an incredibly stupid article. In retrospect, its probably one of the dumbest articles I've ever read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 The only reason I posted it was because the Cleveland Plain Dealer actually picked up on it and included it in one of their blogs (like Hardball at the Tribune)...and because it was about one of their players, they were essentially poking fun or laughing at it, too. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlJ4...o&type=lgns CLE and the history of teams starting 1-6...not so good for Indians fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:39 PM) This discussion reminds me of this article: Bench Quentin for Owens http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=64387 At the time, it seemed like an incredibly stupid article. In retrospect, its probably one of the dumbest articles I've ever read. LOL, I love how you stuck this quote at the end of the article today, thats hilarious JimH was all over that article, he still wants Ryan Freel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedEx227 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 02:35 PM) As the past two people have said, you really shouldn't get all worked up over anything posted on Bleacher Report. Any idiot can create an account and post whatever idiotic article full of flawed logic, horrendously one-sided trade ideas or flat-out inaccurate assertions that they feel like writing in their spare time. Yeah, don't get worked up over anything over there, it's all user-generated content. It's irrelevant to an actual discussion. With that being said there are some sweet articles there (including mine), so I wouldn't completely ignore it but don't get worked up when 15 year olds post stupid stuff. Don't hate Bleacher Report, just hate the idiot that wrote it. Sizemore is an elite CF, but 2nd best ever. No. Edited April 17, 2009 by FedEx227 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Joe Dimaggio is the greatest CF of all time, I don't care what any bogus numbers say. And apparently bleacherreport is crap (I'm not familiar with them), so it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedEx227 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Well they aren't crap, it's just that everyone can write on their stuff so it's irrelevant to argue any of their points. You can make an account there and say whatever the hell you want and it gets posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 As flawed as the metric may be, it's still extremely impressive that Grady is producing runs at such a rate. I hate seeing that guy step to the plate against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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