HuskyCaucasian Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 North Korea Expels UN Nuclear Inspectors, Removes Seals North Korea has ordered international monitors at its main nuclear facility to leave the country following its threats to restore a plutonium-enrichment reactor. The United Nations' nuclear monitoring agency released a statement Tuesday saying North Korea has asked its inspectors to remove seals from equipment at the Yongbyon facility and leave the country as soon as possible. Japan's Kyodo news agency cited a U.S. official as saying U.S. monitors have also been expelled. North Korea's Foreign Ministry announced earlier Tuesday that Pyongyang plans to restart its nuclear program and drop out of six-nation disarmament talks. The statement was in reaction to the United Nations Security Council condemning North Korea's launch of a long-range rocket that flew over Japan earlier this month (April 5). Countries taking part in the aid-for-disarmament talks responded by urging Pyongyang to return to the negotiating table. A White House spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said North Korea should verifiably dismantle its nuclear facilities and honor its international commitments if it wants to gain acceptance from the world community. Japanese, Russian and Chinese officials made similar statements supporting an early return to the six-nation aid-for-disarmament talks. Moscow, along with Beijing, blocked the Security Council from issuing a formal resolution, but supported a presidential statement. All 15 member nations agreed Monday on a statement condemning the launch. It ordered North Korea to comply with Security Council Resolution 1718, which bans such launches, and it threatened additional sanctions if Pyongyang does not comply. The measure calls for the designation of new entities that would be subject to a freeze of assets. A council committee monitoring sanctions against North Korea is to report by April 24 on companies or technology that should be added to the current sanctions list. The Security Council statement also calls for the resumption of six-party talks on North Korean disarmament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 comes as no surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 god I hate north korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 3 months from now, they'll sit back down at the table, issue some extra aid demands, and the inspections will come back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 02:54 PM) god I hate north korea. they're not as scary as Cuba though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:57 PM) they're not as scary as Cuba though Cuba is a proud member of the Axis of Unpleasantness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 02:59 PM) Cuba is a proud member of the Axis of Unpleasantness. LOL Nicely played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 02:57 PM) they're not as scary as Cuba though or the immanent threat of being tea bagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) or the immanent threat of being tea bagged. Of course not. If you started mailing tea bags to them, they'd probably wind up having to eat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 No big surprise. NK is testing the US for weakness with the new administration. They know the UN won't do s*** about it, they want to see if they can extract further concessions out of the world, like usual. I am not quite sure why we always knuckle under to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:08 PM) I am not quite sure why we always knuckle under to them. What other option would you suggest? Invasion? Turning our backs on them and refusing to negotiate? That wound up with North Korea fizzling a bomb test a couple years ago. What other option is there out there other than rolling over, trying to keep as many people alive there as possible through food and fuel aid, and trying to take steps to undermine that regime over time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) What other option would you suggest? Invasion? Turning our backs on them and refusing to negotiate? That wound up with North Korea fizzling a bomb test a couple years ago. What other option is there out there other than rolling over, trying to keep as many people alive there as possible through food and fuel aid, and trying to take steps to undermine that regime over time? Stop supporting the regime that is killing their own people at an alarming rate? We keep negotiating with them and they still keep going forward doing whatever the hell they want to anyway, and getting more out of it. How is what we have been doing for decades working by any stretch of the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:17 PM) Stop supporting the regime that is killing their own people at an alarming rate? We keep negotiating with them and they still keep going forward doing whatever the hell they want to anyway, and getting more out of it. How is what we have been doing for decades working by any stretch of the imagination. So how do you define stop supporting them? Should we cut off food and fuel aid, and allow the people to starve? Haven't we tried that and wound up killing enormous numbers of people in famines before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Cutting off all supplies does nothing. A dictator like Kim Jung Il doesnt care if his people starve and die. It's all about power. What if the people realize they are being screwed over? They cant do jack. Up risings are nearly impossible because of his iron fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Well, hell, then, let's just throw our hands up and bend over! There's nothing else to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 give NKorea more bribe money. that will fix it. they always comply with agreements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:39 PM) Well, hell, then, let's just throw our hands up and bend over! There's nothing else to do! Offer me another option? I'd love to hear it. The best I can say is to try to save as many lives as possible, use negotiations and the carrot/stick approach to try to keep their nuclear program on ice, and hope that eventually the leadership within the country falls (perhaps with some encouragement if we can ever find a group that actually starts to organize itself against the government there). I'll be the first to admit it's totally inadequate because it doesn't offer a guaranteed way out. But every other thing poster here so far is some variant of "This method sucks...ok what's your proposal....this method sucks...seriously, offer me something better...this method sucks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Yeah lets invade them. Don't wanna look "weak" or "French". I'm sure the people will welcome us a liberators. Invading a country that thinks their dear leader is the immortal son of god should be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) Offer me another option? I'd love to hear it. The best I can say is to try to save as many lives as possible, use negotiations and the carrot/stick approach to try to keep their nuclear program on ice, and hope that eventually the leadership within the country falls (perhaps with some encouragement if we can ever find a group that actually starts to organize itself against the government there). I'll be the first to admit it's totally inadequate because it doesn't offer a guaranteed way out. But every other thing poster here so far is some variant of "This method sucks...ok what's your proposal....this method sucks...seriously, offer me something better...this method sucks". Giving in to them has worked so well! So, that's obviously our only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) Offer me another option? I'd love to hear it. The best I can say is to try to save as many lives as possible, use negotiations and the carrot/stick approach to try to keep their nuclear program on ice, and hope that eventually the leadership within the country falls (perhaps with some encouragement if we can ever find a group that actually starts to organize itself against the government there). I'll be the first to admit it's totally inadequate because it doesn't offer a guaranteed way out. But every other thing poster here so far is some variant of "This method sucks...ok what's your proposal....this method sucks...seriously, offer me something better...this method sucks". their nuclear program is not on ice. they are going to work on getting their weapons no matter what. there really isn't a good option. invading NKorea is not an option. expecting them to comply with any agreement is ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Giving in to them has worked so well! So, that's obviously our only option. *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Giving in to them has worked so well! So, that's obviously our only option. And again, you have to go to the extreme of absurdity, and offer no alternative. We all know this cycle isn't working, we also all know that invading does no good. No one is saying otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:46 PM) Giving in to them has worked so well! So, that's obviously our only option. Like I said, the sequence is: "This option sucks. Please, suggest something better. This option sucks. Come on, I mean it, I have no better suggestions, I'd love to hear yours. This option sucks. Seriously, stop it. Now it's getting frustrating. If you don't have a better option just say so. This option sucks. Ok, I'm done with this. This option sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 You know what's funny? Every time I see that from you, you just ask the question and never have anything better, either. If I were that damn smart, I wouldn't be here posting bulls*** comments for the peanut gallery. It's like criticizing GWB every day and having no solutions except Comedy Central, and all the :notworthy that goes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:58 PM) You know what's funny? Every time I see that from you, you just ask the question and never have anything better, either. But you know what? In this case, I'm not the one obsessing over the fact that what we're currently doing isn't working perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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