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QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:27 PM)
My favorite part of this is where it says crazy people clinging to guns might be a problem.

 

the only solution is a pre-emptive strike. preferably against veterans and the unemployed.

 

oh and people with Ron Paul bumper stickers. JAIL.

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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 04:33 PM)
sorry lostfan, but a pre-emptive strike is a pre-emptive strike. we can't risk not taking action in these trying times

Meh I have pull. I can easily have them come after you instead. After all, I heard you say Obama wasn't the progressive leader you thought he was about a month ago.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:35 PM)
Meh I have pull. I can easily have them come after you instead. After all, I heard you say Obama wasn't the progressive leader you thought he was about a month ago.

 

my account must have been hacked. wasn't me.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 04:33 PM)
Double whammy for you. You had trouble peeling off that Ron Paul bumper sticker before you realized he was a whack job.

Yeah it baked itself into my bumper before I got it off. I ended up spraypainting over it though.

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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 01:23 PM)

The article you posted said absolutely nothing of the magnitude of the claim you made.

 

Your specific claim was that the government was putting all returning veterans on the terrorist watch list. First and foremost, that document doesn't mention the terrorist watch list a single time.

 

I will excerpt for you every single block of text from it referring to military veterans.

The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of

military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities

could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists

capable of carrying out violent attacks.

 

...

Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are

attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing

extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to

boost their violent capabilities.

 

 

....

Disgruntled Military Veterans

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and

radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from

military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the

capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out

violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist

groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from

the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

— (U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military

veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing

extremist groups.

— (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers

of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now

learning the art of warfare in the [u.S.] armed forces.”

— (U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement

that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have

joined extremist groups.

Those are the segments that refer to military veterans. Please point out for me the text that says anything of the sort that you're claiming.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:37 PM)
The article you posted said absolutely nothing of the magnitude of the claim you made.

 

Your specific claim was that the government was putting all returning veterans on the terrorist watch list. First and foremost, that document doesn't mention the terrorist watch list a single time.

 

I will excerpt for you every single block of text from it referring to military veterans.

 

Those are the segments that refer to military veterans. Please point out for me the text that says anything of the sort that you're claiming.

that's what you call a reverse 360 pwned

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:37 PM)
The article you posted said absolutely nothing of the magnitude of the claim you made.

 

Your specific claim was that the government was putting all returning veterans on the terrorist watch list. First and foremost, that document doesn't mention the terrorist watch list a single time.

 

I will excerpt for you every single block of text from it referring to military veterans.

 

Those are the segments that refer to military veterans. Please point out for me the text that says anything of the sort that you're claiming.

 

it's reporting that they are dangerous and need to be watched. if it said "Muslims" instead of "veterans" you would be going crazy about the injustice.

 

then we would have a less hilarious thread about 'evil racism against muslims.' Nuke would probably return, only to get banned. It would be a complete fiasco.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:39 PM)
that's what you call a reverse 360 pwned

 

the report specifically points them out repeatedly.

 

you can email me at

 

[email protected] if you wish to go over this more

 

edit: and what is 360 pwned? just back to the start?

Edited by mr_genius
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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 04:41 PM)
it's reporting that they are dangerous and need to be watched. if it said "Muslims" instead of "veterans" you would be going crazy about the injustice.

 

then we would have a less hilarious thread about 'evil racism against muslims.' Nuke would probably return, only to get banned. It would be a complete fiasco.

Not to detract from the epic hilarity of this thread, but I'm going to vouch for that report. That's a pretty standard line to include in any report about right-wing extremists. Left-wing extremists have a whole other set of conditions that apply to them.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:42 PM)
That ends up being pwnage back in the same place.

yeah i realized that after i hit send. was thinking of basketball slam dunk adjectives and didn't realize the implication of the 360. duh

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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:43 PM)
the report specifically points them out repeatedly.

 

you can email me at

 

[email protected] if you wish to go over this more

 

edit: and what is 360 pwned? just back to the start?

You stated that all military veterans will be on the terrorist watch list. How is it that you can lie about that and claim you owned me?

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:44 PM)
yeah i realized that after i hit send. was thinking of basketball slam dunk adjectives and didn't realize the implication of the 360. duh

duh. pwned.

 

Now I feel better. :lolhitting

 

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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 01:41 PM)
it's reporting that they are dangerous and need to be watched.

Actually, it doesn't even say that. All it does is note that the last time there was a major domestic terrorist threat, it involved military veterans, and there are a large number of them now who could be potential recruit. Here is the actual block of text that includes the recommendations:

Outlook

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that the combination of environmental factors that echo

the 1990s, including heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms restrictions and

returning military veterans, as well as several new trends, including an uncertain

economy and a perceived rising influence of other countries, may be invigorating

rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements.

To the extent that these factors persist, rightwing extremism is likely to grow in strength.

 

(U//FOUO) Unlike the earlier period, the advent of the Internet and other informationage

technologies since the 1990s has given domestic extremists greater access to

information related to bomb-making, weapons training, and tactics, as well as targeting of

individuals, organizations, and facilities, potentially making extremist individuals and

groups more dangerous and the consequences of their violence more severe. New

technologies also permit domestic extremists to send and receive encrypted

communications and to network with other extremists throughout the country and abroad,

making it much more difficult for law enforcement to deter, prevent, or preempt a violent

extremist attack.

 

(U//FOUO) A number of law enforcement actions and external factors were effective in

limiting the militia movement during the 1990s and could be utilized in today’s climate.

 

— (U//FOUO) Following the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal

building in Oklahoma City, the militia movement declined in total membership

and in the number of organized groups because many members distanced

themselves from the movement as a result of the intense scrutiny militias received

after the bombing.

 

— (U//FOUO) Militia membership continued to decline after the turn of the

millennium as a result of law enforcement disruptions of multiple terrorist plots

linked to violent rightwing extremists, new legislation banning paramilitary

training, and militia frustration that the “revolution” never materialized.

 

— (U//FOUO) Although the U.S. economy experienced a significant recovery and

many perceived a concomitant rise in U.S. standing in the world, white

supremacist groups continued to experience slight growth.

(

U//FOUO) DHS/I&A will be working with its state and local partners over the next

several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing

extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political,

economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.

Please again point out for me the text that says anything close to what you're claiming it says.
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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 01:44 PM)
yeah i realized that after i hit send. was thinking of basketball slam dunk adjectives and didn't realize the implication of the 360. duh

Can I jump over one of you while excerpting my next block of text?

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 15, 2009 -> 03:44 PM)
yeah i realized that after i hit send. was thinking of basketball slam dunk adjectives and didn't realize the implication of the 360. duh

Its 180, you spaghetti slurping cretin. 180!!! If I did a 360 I'd go all the way round and end up back where I started!!!

 

Huh?

 

Trust me.

 

*BLAM*

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