striker Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 I know it's early but I just wanted to see what everyone had in mind. If we didn't sign any of them that woudl shave $41mil off the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Joe crede will be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted April 20, 2009 Author Share Posted April 20, 2009 I had a poll but it didn't post. Mods can you delete this so I can re-post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) Dye and Thome...maybe one will be back, as the primary DH, but at a much reduced price...certainly not $12-13 million. If Dye is back, it should be as a full-time DH, and I'm not sure he is quite yet ready to give up OF play. Maybe the idea situation would be for him to share/split time with Brandon Allen next year and also some time in the outfield as a "transition" year in his career. Konerko could DH and/or Allen could play 1B against the really tough righties. Dotel...10-15% chance of return, with his contract not looking like much of a bargain, the odds are we won't offer arbitration...unless he just has an incredible year and stays healthy. Contreras...5-10% chance of return MacDougal...1-2% (you can never rule anything out 100% with this guy, they seem bound and determined to keep giving him chances, so there's always the possibility he figures things out for at least a half season, like Politte did) Edited April 20, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 You don't extend anyone, unless they came to you and said they were willing to sign way below market .Contracts most likely will be just as suppressed as this past offseason. Of all the White Sox free agents, with age included, none of the White Sox free agents is a premium type of guy where teams will pay up to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 I can really only see Dye coming back as the primary DH. I know KW loves him and in the past has expressed his wish to have Dye finish his career as a White Sox. Of course, the payroll has everything to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 I would say that the minor league success of a few guys might actually determine more of Kenny Williams off season plans than what the free agent market looks like. If guys like Brandon Allen and especially Dayan Viciedo hit big numbers in the minors, you are going to see those guys plugged into spots in the majors. I could see Viciedo opening as the LF next year, with Carlos moving to RF, and Dye either not being resigned, or being the DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Well, Allen, Beckham, and probably an Arm or two will have to be on the major league roster next year, so we dont need to fill those spots. I see Allen being a possible DH or 1B which means he splits those positions with Konerko. I dont think Dye or Thome will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 If we choose to let Dye go or keep him as DH, we will have a need for outfielders. WIth only Quentin and maybe Anderson. I don't think Jordan Danks will be ready next year. We could sign an aging vet for a one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 John Shelby III, if he really has a good season this year, could force his way into the club's plans for 2010 too...there's no solid consensus that Jordan Danks is actually a better prospect than Shelby. Many scouts think Shelby might have an even higher upside, they're probably the two most athletic players in our entire system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 20, 2009 -> 09:43 AM) John Shelby III, if he really has a good season this year, could force his way into the club's plans for 2010 too...there's no solid consensus that Jordan Danks is actually a better prospect than Shelby. Many scouts think Shelby might have an even higher upside, they're probably the two most athletic players in our entire system. I doubt he will be ready next year. He is still extremely raw despite his power/speed numbers. He strikes out too much and walks to little to be major league ready. He is a poor man's Chris Young, and Chris Young has been very slow to produce in the majors. The thing that separates the two is patience at the plate, as Young is much better at taking walks. I fear Shelby would get dominated by major league pitcher in a year. They are doing the right thing with him by slowly pushing him through the system. Edited April 20, 2009 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 But you know KW...John Shelby III might become the "poor man's Chris Young" and be featured (unfairly) as one of our future stars. Hopefully, he'll get lost in the Beckham, Flowers, Allen and Viciedo spotlight and be able to fly under the radar a bit with Jord. Danks. I know Scenario really really likes Shelby, but I haven't seen enough of his swing in person to give an opinion whether it would hold up against major league pitching or not. The strikeouts and walks are 2 things to look at....for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 20, 2009 -> 08:08 AM) But you know KW...John Shelby III might become the "poor man's Chris Young" and be featured (unfairly) as one of our future stars. Hopefully, he'll get lost in the Beckham, Flowers, Allen and Viciedo spotlight and be able to fly under the radar a bit with Jord. Danks. I know Scenario really really likes Shelby, but I haven't seen enough of his swing in person to give an opinion whether it would hold up against major league pitching or not. The strikeouts and walks are 2 things to look at....for sure. When you look at the fact that this organization now has more people coming up than they have spots for (logjam's at 3rd with Viciedo/Fields, CF/SS/2b with Getz, Alexei, Anderson, Danks, Beckham, Shelby), 1b (Konerko, Allen) and with a bundle of picks coming up early in this year's draft...I'd expect that at some point, we're going to see some classic KW wheeling and dealing this season. Or at least this offseason. Shelby's the kind of guy who might fit the bill as high enough to bait a team in to giving up a really solid player with him as a key part of the deal (Think about the Garcia deal with Jeremy Reed) but he's not so high that Kenny will hesitate to give him up to make the team better (Think Gio). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) Shelby and Danks (when he's theoretically eligible to be traded) probably wouldn't be the centerpieces of any trade...they are closer to Michael Morse than Olivo or Reed (at the time of the trade, when he was named minor league player of the year by some publications). If we're to make a blockbuster move, it probably will be Poreda + Shelby + one more piece (#11-20 prospect). Lillibridge and Nix won't bring us anything back in return. Among that core group of Fields, Viciedo, Allen, Beckham and Flowers, you have to figure at least two will either be traded or not make it with the Sox as "impact/starting" players over the long-term. Edited April 20, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 The Sox will probably keep Betemit and Thornton for sure. Guys like Thome, Dye, Colon, Contreras, Dotel, and MMac will all probably be determined by performance this year, and the price they can re-sign at. Dye seems like the most likely to be retained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 It's mid-April. Just over the next 30 days or so things will change so much that none of this will matter, if there's one thing I've learned it's that you really can't project offseason moves before mid to late July (and even that is too damn soon) things will almost undoubtedly change significantly over the next 5 months and render any predictions in this thread moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 QUOTE (RME JICO @ Apr 20, 2009 -> 09:58 AM) The Sox will probably keep Betemit and Thornton for sure. Guys like Thome, Dye, Colon, Contreras, Dotel, and MMac will all probably be determined by performance this year, and the price they can re-sign at. Dye seems like the most likely to be retained. Also worth considering is the draft pick implications of people walking...and how it affects the signing schedule. Thome, Dye, Dotel, and Contreras are very unlikely to be offered arbitration this year, because their contracts wouldn't go down. No one wants to pay them what they're making this year again next year, not in a down market where teams will be cutting salary again. This means 2 things...first, other teams can sign them without losing draft picks, so none of them will be stuck in the Hudson/Cabrera neitherworld from this year, and second, the Sox won't be able to resign them after early December, so the Sox would have to come to an agreement with them early. Without knowing where the market is going to be set, it seems unlikely to me that any of them will resign before the Arbitration deadline unless they really, really want to stay. On the other hand, it's plausible Colonn could pitch well enough that you'd be willing to offer him the same amount they made this year on a 1 year contract. Colon's easy. He gives you 15 starts, you're happy to have him back for $2 million. But he's also potentially liable to pitch himself up on to the type A free Agent list, or at least the type B list if he gives us 25 starts. MMac still has 1 year of arbitration eligibility remaining. The Sox likely do not want him back. But they may also not want to lose him for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 If you offer MacDougal arbitration, you're locked in paying him a minimum of $2.12 million next year. Based on the last couple of seasons (and the caveat, everything can and will change...), there's no way they won't wash their hands of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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