BigSqwert Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 5, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) ESPN insider reporting that the Sox have talked to Pedro... Too bad it's not 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 5, 2009 -> 12:54 PM) Too bad it's not 2002. I'll take him in 2009. He'll put butts in the seats and he'll be an adequate 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2009 -> 10:52 AM) KW should have predicted his 2 top CF options would both suffer completely random injuries in the first month of the season. well said. not to mention that this 3rd option would get released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 5, 2009 -> 10:59 AM) well said. not to mention that this 3rd option would get released. That was fairly unsurprising in hindsight. I was wrong on him because I was hoping for the best, he got his chance and couldn't do jack with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 5, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) ESPN insider reporting that the Sox have talked to Pedro... It doesn't say anything of the sort. Its from the Daily Herald and Scott Gregor, the guy who said KW would put a waiver claim on Luis Vicianco and instead of just handing him over the Cubs would send over some money to pay him as well. It just says he will start looking at guys like Byrd, Pedro, Garcia and Odalis Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 yes, let's go sign someone who has not pitched since baseball classic and wouldn't be able to go till another month. No knock on any of free agents, but it will take awhile before their even ready to go be even considered in rotation. best option is minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) It doesn't say anything of the sort. Its from the Daily Herald and Scott Gregor, the guy who said KW would put a waiver claim on Luis Vicianco and instead of just handing him over the Cubs would send over some money to pay him as well. It just says he will start looking at guys like Byrd, Pedro, Garcia and Odalis Perez. So it was worthless speculation in other words. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 looks so good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'm all for signing Pedro, or even Paul Byrd. But if we're crying poor, Aaron Poreda, please... No Clayton. He's not a god damn starter and he never will be...He's barely a middle reliever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Make due with patches till you can sign Ben Sheets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxmanager Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 well since you all have been inquiring and sorry i wasnt able to respond to each of your emails but YES today was the day that the morning doves officially left the nest. they are sitting in front of my office window. i will miss them when they finally fly away on their first flights! thanks for all your care. we are all great whitesox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Per Cowley's twitter: Clayton Richard is not ready to be a starter, according to Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 And Contreras is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I hope Contreras gets rocked tonight. I'm tired of this up and down crap. It's time to move on to something better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:23 AM) I hope Contreras gets rocked tonight. I'm tired of this up and down crap. It's time to move on to something better. He pitching a little league game tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:23 AM) I hope Contreras gets rocked tonight. I'm tired of this up and down crap. It's time to move on to something better. Yeah, maybe they can bring up Wes Whisler to take his place? Do you realize that what comes after Contreras is going to be worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2009 -> 08:46 AM) Yeah, maybe they can bring up Wes Whisler to take his place? Do you realize that what comes after Contreras is going to be worse? Which is why I kept saying it was a massive failure for the Sox to do what they did. People kept saying we had depth and the smart ones knew that Marquez was crap (at least currently), that Richard doesn't have enough pitches to be a successful starter, Broadway doesn't have command, etc etc etc. Fact is the Sox were counting on Colon and Contreras and had absolutely no alternative readily available. In fact, I still think the Sox priority in the draft should be on pitching, pitching and more pitching because the fact of the matter is aside from guys in the lower levels (who have a lot left to prove) there are very few even potential high impact arms in the system. Poreda is the only one at a high enough level and I consistently will tell you that he isn't ready to be a high impact starter with his current arsenal, although if his sinker is truly plus plus, that could change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 dont worry folks after ozzie decided say this could be contreas last start he decides tell us plan b and it is... contreas... man what a plan b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 6, 2009 -> 06:17 PM) Which is why I kept saying it was a massive failure for the Sox to do what they did. People kept saying we had depth and the smart ones knew that Marquez was crap (at least currently), that Richard doesn't have enough pitches to be a successful starter, Broadway doesn't have command, etc etc etc. Fact is the Sox were counting on Colon and Contreras and had absolutely no alternative readily available. In fact, I still think the Sox priority in the draft should be on pitching, pitching and more pitching because the fact of the matter is aside from guys in the lower levels (who have a lot left to prove) there are very few even potential high impact arms in the system. Poreda is the only one at a high enough level and I consistently will tell you that he isn't ready to be a high impact starter with his current arsenal, although if his sinker is truly plus plus, that could change. How similar are Poreda's K/BB ratio to those of Cotts when he was in AA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) How similar are Poreda's K/BB ratio to those of Cotts when he was in AA? Are they even close? Cotts was filthy down in AA. Plus I don't know how you can really compare the two guys considering they have completely different stuff. Cotts never had the dominanting fastball, but the hitch in his delivery (when healthy) made him very tough to catch up to. However, I remember Cotts struggled with his command and thus struggled during his initial call-up with the Sox. So maybe you are talking about how Poreda also struggles with command. Regardless I don't look too into the numbers in that sense, I look more at the fact that Poreda has a lot to learn, although I've heard his breaking pitch is getting better and better and I also know the Sox are trying to have him throw less of his best pitch (FB) so that he can further develop and hone his other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I hope we get better results out of Poreda as a starter than Cotts. I think about the only thing they would have in common would be 100 pitch counts within 4-5 IP. It doesn't seem that Poreda will be able to miss many bats if he's behind in the count (while his FB moves more than Thornton's, it certainly doesn't move like Bartolo's)...Cotts got by more with deception and being "sneaky" fast but neither had/have reliable secondary stuff. The jury is still out on Poreda developing into a legit starter, but, to hear Ozzie recently, he's not in the current thinking of the club. I suppose that could change, but, based on "hints," it would seem 2nd half 2009/2010 is more realistic for when they feel he'll be CLOSER to being ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 6, 2009 -> 06:40 PM) However, I remember Cotts struggled with his command and thus struggled during his initial call-up with the Sox. So maybe you are talking about how Poreda also struggles with command. Regardless I don't look too into the numbers in that sense, I look more at the fact that Poreda has a lot to learn, although I've heard his breaking pitch is getting better and better and I also know the Sox are trying to have him throw less of his best pitch (FB) so that he can further develop and hone his other stuff. Yes, more about command. I know their stuff isn't similiar at all. It just seems like Poreda would have a hell of a time completing 5 innings at the big league level right now. It will be interesting to see if he can cut down on the wildness the rest of his minor league season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) Yes, more about command. I know their stuff isn't similiar at all. It just seems like Poreda would have a hell of a time completing 5 innings at the big league level right now. It will be interesting to see if he can cut down on the wildness the rest of his minor league season. I'd put him more on par with a poor man's Scott Kazmir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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