Lance deserves his own thread

[greg775]

My god, how slow can a guy throw a baseball?

Broadway was horrible. Can he throw 85?

It beats me how Oz can get to the ballpark at 1 p.m., watch both teams scratch and claw (well, sort of, it was a pretty good game) til just before midnight, then elect to throw Lance out there in the 11th to lose the game.

I was mortified at how slow Lance throws the ball.

Horrible.

Edited May 6, 2009 by greg775

[fathom]

So we're going to start a thread after every loss dedicated to a player? It's not Broadway's fault. Much like Lillibridge, he has no business being in the majors.

[dabears32]

you know I still remember back like two years ago when lance dominated the royals for like a three hitter at the end of the year and I was so sure that he was going to be legit. but well yeah that didn't work out too well

[fathom]

FWIW, Broadway's fastest fastball tonight was 89 mph.

[Chisoxrd5]

This seems cruel and unusual to me.

 

Broadway has no business being on the roster. This team has at least 5-7 roster spots right now that are occupied by marginal or sub-par major league talents. It's really not fair to single him out. Instead, be angry that the team spent a first round draft choice on a guy whos biggest criticism the year he was drafted was that he had good numbers but marginal stuff. Marginal stuff, especially from a RHP, is usually never effective against professional hitters.

 

I can't really blame Broadway for the cards he was dealt.

 

 

 

[fathom]

This seems cruel and unusual to me.

 

Broadway has no business being on the roster. This team has at least 5-7 roster spots right now that are occupied by marginal or sub-par major league talents. It's really not fair to single him out. Instead, be angry that the team spent a first round draft choice on a guy whos biggest criticism the year he was drafted was that he had good numbers but marginal stuff. Marginal stuff, especially from a RHP, is usually never effective against professional hitters.

 

I can't really blame Broadway for the cards he was dealt.

 

Broadway's stock was soaring the weeks leading up to the draft. From what I was told, the Sox didn't even think he'd last to their pick.

[Chisoxrd5]

Broadway's stock was soaring the weeks leading up to the draft. From what I was told, the Sox didn't even think he'd last to their pick.

 

And, what's your point? That the Sox made the right choice in drafting him because other teams enjoyed his assured signability and stability? He was the definition of a safe pick. Meh.

[SoxAce]

So we're going to start a thread after every loss dedicated to a player? It's not Broadway's fault. Much like Lillibridge, he has no business being in the majors.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

This.

[Kalapse]

you know I still remember back like two years ago when lance dominated the royals for like a three hitter at the end of the year and I was so sure that he was going to be legit. but well yeah that didn't work out too well

He didn't miss a single bat in that game. It makes sense that he didn't get another start after that, he pretty much proved that he wasn't a major league quality starter with that outing.

[Jordan4life_2007]

There's no denying Lance should be selling insurance or something for a living. But he certainly won't be a factor in if we win or lose this division. I'm MUCH more concerned with Gavin Floyd. Every Sabergeek that I've come across predicted a big-time comeback to earth year for Gavin. And he's doing nothing to prove any of them wrong. There's no way in hell we can contend if Gavin doesn't turn it around and soon.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Jordan4life

[fathom]

There's no denying Lance should be selling insurance or something for a living. But he certainly won't be a factor in if we win or lose this division. I'm MUCH more concerned with Gavin Floyd. Every Sabergeek that I've come across predicted a big-time comeback to earth year for Gavin Floyd. And he's doing nothing to prove any of them wrong. There's no way in hell we can contend if Gavin doesn't turn it around and soon.

 

Too often, Gavin's trying to get ahead of the count with his fastball so he can then use his curve with 2 strikes. The two issues with this is that he has very mediocre command of his fastball, and when he does get it over the plate, it's not exactly a plus pitch. It's not like hitters are doing any damage against his curve, but he's getting hit hard before he can use it.

[SoxFan1]

If Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch are 1st round picks, then I'm no worse than a 3rd rounder myself. Kind of sad that we've wasted so many picks.

[fathom]

If Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch are 1st round picks, then I'm no worse than a 3rd rounder myself. Kind of sad that we've wasted so many picks.

 

Brian Bogusevic, who was the likely Sox pick if we didn't take Broadway, was even worse in the minors as a starter.

[greg775]

The reason I started the thread was not so much to simply blame Lance for the loss (it is pathetic AJ hits a triple and we can't score him from third, pathetic), but my shock at how bad a pitcher he is. I don't see all the games and I was simply shocked at how slow he throws the ball. I feel like at that point we were conceding the game. Who was left besides Bobby? At some point I was expecting Bobby for an inning or two even in a tie game.

[fathom]

Jenks was left, and rightfully held out for the possible save inning. Richard had to pitch a few innings yesterday because our starting pitching is allergic to going deep into games.

[greg775]

They still had Cruz left and we had Lance.

That's not a fair tradeoff.

[caulfield12]

The Royals perfectly executed a hit and run.

 

We had two opportunities to score with runners on 3rd with less than 2 outs and failed to get them in, with Getz and Ramirez both striking out. Always the kiss of death. But, as someone mentioned, Gavin Floyd has to be the biggest concern after last night's game, not Lance Broadway, with Alexei Ramirez a close second.

 

The game was over right there...on the road...we might as well have put Wandy Rodriguez in the game to throw to Geoff Blum just for old times' sake.

[fathom]

The game was over right there...on the road...we might as well have put Wandy Rodriguez in the game to throw to Geoff Blum just for old times' sake.

 

Ezequiel Astacio

[RockRaines]

I thought he and the rest of the bullpen werent that bad. The offense put together alot of hits and the game didnt go out way. Oh well. There will be at least 60 more of these.

Edited May 6, 2009 by RockRaines

[southsider2k5]

I thought he and the rest of the bullpen werent that bad. The offense put together alot of hits and the game didnt go out way. Oh well. There will be at least 60 more of these.

 

Dotel and Thornton were awful. I think Thornton has allowed his last 5 inherited runners to score IIRC, which is scary for our only real lefty in the pen.

[MO2005]

This seems cruel and unusual to me.

 

Broadway has no business being on the roster. This team has at least 5-7 roster spots right now that are occupied by marginal or sub-par major league talents. It's really not fair to single him out. Instead, be angry that the team spent a first round draft choice on a guy whos biggest criticism the year he was drafted was that he had good numbers but marginal stuff. Marginal stuff, especially from a RHP, is usually never effective against professional hitters.

 

I can't really blame Broadway for the cards he was dealt.

 

Here's why this team should just forfit now!

[NorthSideSox72]

Dotel and Thornton were awful. I think Thornton has allowed his last 5 inherited runners to score IIRC, which is scary for our only real lefty in the pen.

Thornton struck out 3 guys, but he did also walk 2 and give up a double. I'm not worred about him, he's still got very good numbers on the season.

 

Dotel is scary though, he's awfully inconsisten.

 

[Dick Allen]

Thornton struck out 3 guys, but he did also walk 2 and give up a double. I'm not worred about him, he's still got very good numbers on the season.

 

Dotel is scary though, he's awfully inconsisten.

That's the Javy Vazquez syndrome, spinning his numbers so he looks good. He came in with the bases loaded the other day and gave up a GS. He only gets charged with 1 run. He comes in with 2 on last night, they both score. His numbers for those 2 games, both which could have been wins but were losses, look a lot better than his performance. He didn't do his job no matter how many strikeouts he had.

 

The bullpen wasn't very sharp last night although Floyd had enough run support to make that a non-issue, but he was terrible. Just a badly pitched game by the White Sox.

 

Broadway blows, but I don't know how you would expect anything but what happened to happen to him last night.

[fathom]

Thornton should always start his innings when he comes in. He seems to flourish in that role, as it gives him a little more room for error. I'm a huge fan of his, and think he'll be our closer next year. However, it seems like he's completely abandoned even thinking of throwing anything but a fastball, and it's reflected in how righties are hitting him very hard so far.

[CanOfCorn]

This seems cruel and unusual to me.

 

Broadway has no business being on the roster. This team has at least 5-7 roster spots right now that are occupied by marginal or sub-par major league talents. It's really not fair to single him out. Instead, be angry that the team spent a first round draft choice on a guy whos biggest criticism the year he was drafted was that he had good numbers but marginal stuff. Marginal stuff, especially from a RHP, is usually never effective against professional hitters.

 

I can't really blame Broadway for the cards he was dealt.

 

I would like to see how many teams have a system so stocked that it can replace, at the drop of the hat, 5-7 roster spots with major league quality replacements. To remind you...

 

The Sox are down THREE CF. Even if two of those weren't any good...one was doing better and he's injured.

The Sox are still rebuilding their system using the Buddy Bell method, and if you look at AA on down, doing a pretty good job of it.

The Sox were trying to give some of their young talent a chance to succeed. Owens failed. Lilli is failing. Getz is succeeding. Fields is succeeding. Ramirez is having a Sophomore slump (hopefully). Danks is succeeding for the most part. Floyd is 50/50 right now.

 

No team, other than the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs can just sign players willy-nilly for ridiculous contracts. Does it suck? Sure it does, but we are 26 games into the season. And if worse comes to worse, they start selling off players at the deadline to get more good, quality young players so some of you can shut the hell up about how the minors are barren or they aren't ready yet.

 

This is what makes baseball fun...a player can rake in college and the minors and suck in the show. Or a player can be drafted in the 38th or 51st round and be hugely successful. And if anyone on this board thinks they can see what player is going to be better than another...your unicorn is waiting to take you back to Fantasyland.