Manny Suspended 50 Games

[SoxFan562004]

The thread title still says PEDs.

 

The reports are saying it was a sexual enhancer:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ajl3...o&type=lgns

man, that would be an interesting turn if that's true. Anyone know how those work, medically, and how it might flag a positive test?

[RME JICO]

Does this mean we all have to apologize?

nope, he still guilty of being an idiot.

[Kyyle23]

should we now merge this thread with the "BAN ED COMMERCIALS" thread?

 

 

[Kalapse]

man, that would be an interesting turn if that's true. Anyone know how those work, medically, and how it might flag a positive test?

Well he tested positive for a "banned substance" that's been referred to as "non-performance enhancing". So the drug simply contains a substance that is banned by baseball, not a stimulant and not believed to be a baseball performance enhancer.

 

I'm also curious as to who the "source close to Ramirez" is. There's this guy who's name rhymes with "chorus" that's pretty close to Manny.

[Dick Allen]

Well he tested positive for a "banned substance" that's been referred to as "non-performance enhancing". So the drug simply contains a substance that is banned by baseball, not a stimulant and not believed to be a baseball performance enhancer.

 

I'm also curious as to who the "source close to Ramirez" is. There's this guy who's name rhymes with "chorus" that's pretty close to Manny.

And if he is taking this product, and it did cost him $8.3 million without even a small fight, even being represented by Scott Boras (Gee I wonder if they see what ARods going through and realize some skeletons in Manny's closet would definitely come out) don't some PEDs cause loss of sex drive? Wouldn't it be even funnier than Plaxico Burress having to do time for shooting himself that Manny masks the PED just fine, but takes something else to lessen that particular effect and gets busted for that?

[Steve9347]

The thread title still says PEDs.

 

The reports are saying it was a sexual enhancer:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ajl3...o&type=lgns

 

Still violated the drug policy.

Tell me that's not a "performance enhancer"!!

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Does this mean we all have to apologize?

 

Nope.

 

If that report is true, it is still Manny's fault for not knowing exactly what is going into his body, but it hardly makes his "crime" comparable to those of others.

 

And on a side not, if that report is true, how many sexual-related jokes are there going to be surrounding Manny now? Looks like he enhanced something

 

By the way, the new thread title/sub-title just makes you laugh.

Edited May 7, 2009 by ChiSox_Sonix

[Dick Allen]

Nope.

 

If that report is true, it is still Manny's fault for not knowing exactly what is going into his body, but it hardly makes his "crime" comparable to those of others.

 

And on a side not, if that report is true, how many sexual-related jokes are there going to be surrounding Manny now? Looks like he enhanced something

 

This is exactly the "spin" Boras was looking for. He tested positive for it twice according to the article. Isn't he told about a positive test?

[NorthSideSox72]

Sexual enhancer? interesting. I still think its odd that a player, nowadays, would allow ANYTHING to be injected into his body without checking with the league. Which makes Manny either not-too-bright, or its a cover-up or lie of some kind. And as DA said, ED is a common side effect of some PED's. He's also refusing the appeal process.

 

Seems like we still don't have the whole picture. But at BEST, he was stupid, and there are multiple pieces of evidence to suggest it goes beyond that.

 

[G&T]

This is exactly the "spin" Boras was looking for. He tested positive for it twice according to the article. Isn't he told about a positive test?

 

He was told in spring training according to the report.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Sexual enhancer? interesting. I still think its odd that a player, nowadays, would allow ANYTHING to be injected into his body without checking with the league. Which makes Manny either not-too-bright, or its a cover-up or lie of some kind. And as DA said, ED is a common side effect of some PED's. He's also refusing the appeal process.

 

Seems like we still don't have the whole picture. But at BEST, he was stupid, and there are multiple pieces of evidence to suggest it goes beyond that.

 

 

Look at Manny's history. There's a lot to suggest that he doesnt have the most common sense in the world.

[Steve9347]

Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs.

[Dick Allen]

He was told in spring training according to the report.

And his second test triggered the suspension? He kept taking it. I wonder why? Even Manny's most loyal fans have to know something is up here, and it isn't just his jimmy.

[G&T]

Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs.

 

That would explain why it was on the banned list.

[Kalapse]

By the way, the new thread title/sub-title just makes you laugh.

It's also not particularly true.

[Dick Allen]

Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs.

Bingo. They will spin it still and many will buy it, but why in God's name would he be taking a women's fertility drug for if it wasn't in conjunction with PEDs?

 

There is no doubt in my mind he was able to mask the PED. He just couldn't mask this.

Edited May 7, 2009 by Dick Allen

[Kalapse]

Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs.

Or maybe he just never paid attention in health class?

[NorthSideSox72]

Or maybe he just never paid attention in health class?

So Manny thinks he is a woman?

 

[G&T]

So Manny thinks he is a woman?

 

He might have b****-tits too.

[Dick Allen]

Apparently Manny isn't hung like a yak.

[JPN366]

It always bothered me that George Mitchell, a diehard Red Sox fan, didn't find anything on any, at the time, current Boston players. How could they have been immune while at least every other team had someone on the list? Sounds like there needs to be a investigation into the validity of the Mitchell Report. I knew something was fishy about it then, now my suspiscions are confirmed. But, since the baseball media revolves around the Red Sox, it will be ignored. All the while Bonds, A-Rod, etc. will be villified as cheats, but Manny won't. [/color]Because as we all know, Manny is much more vital to the sport and as a role model to kids how to play the game.

Edited May 7, 2009 by JPN366

[Balta1701]

Couple clarifications...

 

People brought up PED's other than steroids, like amphetamines. The rule for speed is that the first one is still under the table with counseling, but the player would know. The 2nd one is what earns you a suspension. That's why Cameron got suspended; he tested positive twice. If It was not on the PED list, it would not be public unless he tested positive 2x, so it can't just be an amphetamine or something along those lines.

 

Second, I believe Baseball's PED policy is zero tolerance. You can appeal but it goes no where. That's why Romero is suing the supplement manufacturer; it's his only legal recourse. The union basically ceded that right, correctly, to get congress off of the league's back.

[Balta1701]

It always bothered me that George Mitchell, a diehard Red Sox fan, didn't find anything on any, at the time, current Boston players. How could they have been immune while at least every other team had someone on the list? Sounds like there needs to be a investigation into the validity of the Mitchell Report. I knew something was fishy about it then, now my suspiscions are confirmed. But, since the baseball media revolves around the Red Sox, it will be ignored. All the while Bonds, A-Rod, etc. will be villified as cheats, but Manny won't. [/color]Because as we all know, Manny is much more vital to the sport and as a role model to kids how to play the game.

The problem with the Mitchell Report is that it was admittedly incomplete. Mitchell only had a couple sources and they all came from the Feds. He got Radomski's info because the Feds had him, he got the HGH network associated with Grimsley because the Feds had it, he had the BALCO info because the Feds had it. The problem is...he didn't have any ability to compel players to talk to him or to force them to give him information about others, thus, he couldn't get any info that wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. If guys were dealing with someone else, like that Dominican trainer that keeps following ARod around, or they were buying stuff from some other source, say out of the country, or Hell even through the internets with a false name/PO Box, Mitchell wouldn't have had any way of getting info about it.

[Balta1701]

Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs.

Is it considered an actual "Masking agent"?

[caulfield12]

It was for HCG...there's pretty much no doubt in the performance-enhancing community the connection. The closer examination of the test results related from an elevated level of testosterone. There was never a positive test for steroids, simply that the information came out that he had been on HCG and that was an automatic violation of the list provided by MLB.

 

 

 

In a man HCG stimulates pro-duction of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone produc-tion. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testoster-one production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing ste-roid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treat-ment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. Those who are on the juice all year round, who might suffer psychological consequences or who would perhaps risk the breakup of a relationship because of this should consider this drawback when taking HCG in regular in-tervals. A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids, in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG.

 

 

Most athletes, however, use HCG at the end of a treatment in order to avoid a "crash," that is, to achieve the best possible transition into "natural training." A precondition, however, is that the steroid intake or dosage be reduced slowly and evenly before taking HCG. Although HCG causes a quick and significant increase of the endogenic plasma- testosterone level, unfortunately it is not a perfect remedy to prevent the loss of strength and mass at the end of a steroid treatment. Although HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it does not help in re-estab-lishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a-result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use." For this reason experienced athletes often take Clomid and Clenbuterol following HCG intake or they immediately begin an-other steroid treatment. Some take HCG merely to get off the "steroids" for at least two to three weeks.

 

HCG package insert states clearly that HCG "has no known effect of fat mobilization, appetite or sense of hunger, or body fat distribution." It further states, "HCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity, it does not increase fat losses beyond that resulting from caloric restriction. 6000 I.U. of HCG in a single injection resulted in elevated testosterone levels for six days after the injection. At a dosage of 1500 I.U. the pharmatestosterone level increases by 250-300% (2.5-3fold) com-pared to the initial value. The athlete should inject one HCG ampule every 5 days. Since the testosterone level remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The effective dosage for ath-letes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as al-ready mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a few weeks. If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function.

 

HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. Male athletes also report more frequent erections and an increased sexual desire. In high doses it can cause acne vulgaris and the storing of minerals and water. The last point must especially be observed since the water retention which is possible through the use of HCG could give the muscle system a puffy and watery appear-ance. Athletes who have already increased their endogenous test-osterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat de-posits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young ath-letes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG.

 

HCG's form of administration is also unusual. The substance choriongonadotropin is a white powdery freeze-dried substance which is usually used as a compress. Each package, for each HCG ampule, includes another ampule with an injection solution containing isotonic sodium chloride. This liq-uid, after both ampules have been opened in a sterile manner, is injected into the HCG ampule and mixed with the dried substance. The solution is then ready for use and should be injected intra-muscularly. If only part of the substance is injected the residual solution should be stored in the refrigerator. It is not necessary to store the unmixed HCG in the refrigerator; however, it should be kept out of light and below a temperature of 25* C.

 

HCG is a relatively expensive compound. It costs approx. $36 -45 for 3 ampules of 5000 I.U.

Edited May 7, 2009 by caulfield12