BPSOX12 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 holy cow i never thought he would see .200 for the rest of the year. Paulies a hard worker and hopefully he will pull it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 He has raised his BA about 25 points in the last two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 PK is back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 PK is back! Pitching around Everett to get to Paulie and he smokes a HR? That's 1st half 2002 Paulie right there. Then again, no one was walking the people in front of him to get to him the first half of last season Way to keep your head up Paulie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 He is looking real good to me. THis means the Sox can part ways with someone. In all honesty, if I was thinking longterm for the Sox, it would be Frank Thomas that I'd move and I'd keep Carlos and Everett to platoon between left and DH. Daubach would play ocassionally as well. I'm thinking the O's may just be interested in Thomas now that he's resurected himself. Plus the Sox dump a contract that really could end up being rather expensive. And I'd rather lose Thomas then lose an ace like Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 He is looking real good to me. THis means the Sox can part ways with someone. In all honesty, if I was thinking longterm for the Sox, it would be Frank Thomas that I'd move and I'd keep Carlos and Everett to platoon between left and DH. Daubach would play ocassionally as well. I'm thinking the O's may just be interested in Thomas now that he's resurected himself. Plus the Sox dump a contract that really could end up being rather expensive. And I'd rather lose Thomas then lose an ace like Buehrle. As much as I'd hate to lose Thomas, I gotta agree Jas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 He is looking real good to me. THis means the Sox can part ways with someone. In all honesty, if I was thinking longterm for the Sox, it would be Frank Thomas that I'd move and I'd keep Carlos and Everett to platoon between left and DH. Daubach would play ocassionally as well. I'm thinking the O's may just be interested in Thomas now that he's resurected himself. Plus the Sox dump a contract that really could end up being rather expensive. And I'd rather lose Thomas then lose an ace like Buehrle. As much as I'd hate to lose Thomas, I gotta agree Jas. ummm what will happen to the chemisrty of the team if that is done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 He is looking real good to me. THis means the Sox can part ways with someone. In all honesty, if I was thinking longterm for the Sox, it would be Frank Thomas that I'd move and I'd keep Carlos and Everett to platoon between left and DH. Daubach would play ocassionally as well. I'm thinking the O's may just be interested in Thomas now that he's resurected himself. Plus the Sox dump a contract that really could end up being rather expensive. And I'd rather lose Thomas then lose an ace like Buehrle. As much as I'd hate to lose Thomas, I gotta agree Jas. ummm what will happen to the chemisrty of the team if that is done? Maybe the better question would be, what part of team chemistry does Frank Thomas have any effect on? My answer would be none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 He is looking real good to me. THis means the Sox can part ways with someone. In all honesty, if I was thinking longterm for the Sox, it would be Frank Thomas that I'd move and I'd keep Carlos and Everett to platoon between left and DH. Daubach would play ocassionally as well. I'm thinking the O's may just be interested in Thomas now that he's resurected himself. Plus the Sox dump a contract that really could end up being rather expensive. And I'd rather lose Thomas then lose an ace like Buehrle. As much as I'd hate to lose Thomas, I gotta agree Jas. ummm what will happen to the chemisrty of the team if that is done? Maybe the better question would be, what part of team chemistry does Frank Thomas have any effect on? My answer would be none. ok how bout this, by trading frank, what kind of signal are we sending to the club. in addition remember you chg the team up and you will lose some team chemsty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 ok how bout this, by trading frank, what kind of signal are we sending to the club. in addition remember you chg the team up and you will lose some team chemsty Believe it or not, I believe dealing Thomas may be good for the team. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 ok how bout this, by trading frank, what kind of signal are we sending to the club. in addition remember you chg the team up and you will lose some team chemsty Believe it or not, I believe dealing Thomas may be good for the team. But that's just me. i don't know. in some way i agree and wish him the best. on the other i would like for him to retire a sox. if he would go to the "o", do you think we can get john maine for him. i highly doubt it. but wouldn't trading clee be a better move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 but wouldn't trading clee be a better move? One thing we do have is alot of potential 1B and LF's. Thomas is in his twilight and, unlike some on this board, I'm not ready just yet to give up on C Lee..... even when he does dive for baseballs he has no chance of catching. But plays like that, as misguided as they may be, tell you that this guy is giving 100% and trying hard even though he sometimes f***s up. If he develops a little bit of plate discipline and slightly better defensive skills, C Lee could become a monster. And time is still on C Lee's side, unlike Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 One thing we do have is alot of potential 1B and LF's. Thomas is in his twilight and, unlike some on this board, I'm not ready just yet to give up on C Lee..... even when he does dive for baseballs he has no chance of catching. But plays like that, as misguided as they may be, tell you that this guy is giving 100% and trying hard even though he sometimes f***s up. If he develops a little bit of plate discipline and slightly better defensive skills, C Lee could become a monster. And time is still on C Lee's side, unlike Thomas. i always been a backer of trading clee and still am. but you are right and i did mention this in the earlier part of this season, i been impress with his play. even if he does some bonehead plays, he has been hustling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 It was great to have Paulie up and he was "dangerous" as Hawk likes to say tonight. He's hitting less weak grounders and alot of flyouts that are lineouts instead. His head is up and the other team is gonna think twice about walking someone to pitch to him for the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 It was great to have Paulie up and he was "dangerous" as Hawk likes to say tonight. He's hitting less weak grounders and alot of flyouts that are lineouts instead. His head is up and the other team is gonna think twice about walking someone to pitch to him for the rest of the year. if he and everett take off.............. watch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I almost forgot Everett looked solid tonight too. Also Roberto gettin on base 4 times tonight. I like to see that in a leadoff man. Now we just need to put someone in the 2-hole that doesn't mind bunting a couple times a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Now we just need to put someone in the 2-hole that doesn't mind bunting a couple times a night. You're right. C Lee is not the man for the job that's for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I almost forgot Everett looked solid tonight too. Also Roberto gettin on base 4 times tonight. I like to see that in a leadoff man. Now we just need to put someone in the 2-hole that doesn't mind bunting a couple times a night. when valentin was hitting at the 2 hole, he got on base. he is the guy for that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to see Thomas in any uniform other than a Sox one. He's the reason I started following this team back in 1991. I'd have a hard time seeing him walk away and not retire in the Chicago uni. Does that mean that it is the best for the club to do? No, just my preference, and we already had a huge P.R. blunder when Fisk was excavated from the team the way he was. Frank deserves the right to retire in Chicago. Everett won't be here next year, and Daubach is only a one year contract if I remember correctly, so then we have our 2000 situation again, with Thomas/Konerko at 1st/DH, and CLee in LF. I don't think anyone is ready to hand over LF to Borchard, the guy just isnt MLB ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 ok how bout this, by trading frank, what kind of signal are we sending to the club. in addition remember you chg the team up and you will lose some team chemsty Believe it or not, I believe dealing Thomas may be good for the team. But that's just me. i don't know. in some way i agree and wish him the best. on the other i would like for him to retire a sox. if he would go to the "o", do you think we can get john maine for him. i highly doubt it. but wouldn't trading clee be a better move? Lee is younger, cheaper, and can also play in the outfield. I may have my flaws in him, but he's also a really hard worker and doesn't bring all the distractions that Frank brings. Maybe I'm just not huge with loyalty, but to me now is the time to unload one of our DH's and Thomas is older, signed long term (Well basically he is) and the options we have are just as good as him, especially since they could invest money on keeping other guys. Plus the Sox really need to get rid of some of these DH's and Thomas is the one who really is strictly a DH, except he can't produce in the DH slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 One thing we do have is alot of potential 1B and LF's. Thomas is in his twilight and, unlike some on this board, I'm not ready just yet to give up on C Lee..... even when he does dive for baseballs he has no chance of catching. But plays like that, as misguided as they may be, tell you that this guy is giving 100% and trying hard even though he sometimes f***s up. If he develops a little bit of plate discipline and slightly better defensive skills, C Lee could become a monster. And time is still on C Lee's side, unlike Thomas. Agree with you 100% Killa. Lets also mix that with the fact that Carlos leads the team in RBI's. He still has his flaws, but he puts up pretty good numbers is way younger then Frank and plays his ass off. I think we know KW would do it, but would the Sox? I know they'd take a PR hit, but at this point who cares, how much worse could the PR really get. Make up for it in the offseason by signing a few good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 If not our loyalty, we have Carlton Fisk situation Part II. JR lets Frank walk, or trades him after what he has done for the franchise, and there are LOTS og angry fans, and JR doesnt have that many fans to be pissing off. I don't see him doing that again, he and Frank are pretty close I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I almost forgot Everett looked solid tonight too. Also Roberto gettin on base 4 times tonight. I like to see that in a leadoff man. Now we just need to put someone in the 2-hole that doesn't mind bunting a couple times a night. We have that in Rowand/Harris. The flaw is that they'd have to unload one of their DH's to make room for that (THOMAS). Then they could let them two play in center with Everett and Lee in the left/dh and Konerko playing first. Daubach spells all of them on ocassions. Sox still have a strong bench, and they add more team speed and defense and I really think we don't need 25-30 homerun mashers, this team has enough of them. What they need is less 25 homer guys and more table setters that are willing to do other things to help the team. To me a good team has a mixture of RBI guys and Run scorers (Aka Durham's, Furcals, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 when valentin was hitting at the 2 hole, he got on base. he is the guy for that spot. Valentin was not getting on base. He was dropped from that hole because his OBP was well under .300 and his average was in the .220's. Then once dropped his average came up a bit (His usual yearly hot streak) and now he's been back in a funk. I will say this, defensively he's been a plus (I never thought I'd say that), but he's freaking weaksauce at the plate. While I'm not the biggest Tejada fan, he would be a huge upgrade. Offensively he is way better and both are good defensive players (if Jose plays like he has done thus far this season). I still like the idea of Matsui. The question is whether it is worth paying them the money. I do think shortstop is one position where you should invest money if you can get a real good one, cause they are so hard to find. Outfielders/Dh's/1st baseman they can be found, its the other guys that are harder. The key is to spend the money on those guys, unless the players at the other positions are just the absolute best at that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 does anyone remember why the sox force fisk to retire? i do, he was becoming an embarrassment and did not see the writing that he should have given up his spikes. i love the way the man played and the heart he had, but he was becoming a joke. you see some of these players who refuse to admit that its time. just like rickey henderson of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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