LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. Not a goog sign , sox need to reverse that quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 The Sporting News ranking, big deal. I will like to see where BA puts us. 15th is about where we deserve to be right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. D'uh? We are going to lose 6 prospects, of course we slide back a little. I was disappointed all the mentioned was Borch though, when guys like Cotts, Reed, and Wing have been much bigger surprises and have rocketed up the charts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Has anyone noticed that Wing has had thre bad starts in a row? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Has anyone noticed that Wing has had thre bad starts in a row? Sure have, what gives Rex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Sure have, what gives Rex? No idea. He is in Winston-Salem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 No idea. He is in Winston-Salem. Speaking of the minors, I think I was just promoted to Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 The Sporting News ranking, big deal. I will like to see where BA puts us. 15th is about where we deserve to be right now. ahhh, that is from BA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. D'uh? We are going to lose 6 prospects, of course we slide back a little. I was disappointed all the mentioned was Borch though, when guys like Cotts, Reed, and Wing have been much bigger surprises and have rocketed up the charts 6 prospects, two of which weren't very much prospects (Salvo and Almonte) and it may only be two of which go to Texas. So I'm thinking the Sox lose something more like 4 prospets. Plus they get one back in Dunn, which is a net loss of 3. Odds are if things work out, they get at least 2 draft picks from the two guys that are acquired, which is another 2 prospects in return (IT could be 4 picks, but thats a ?) which is a net loss of one prospect and in the draft picks, if done right you should be able to get some top talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. D'uh? We are going to lose 6 prospects, of course we slide back a little. I was disappointed all the mentioned was Borch though, when guys like Cotts, Reed, and Wing have been much bigger surprises and have rocketed up the charts 6 prospects, two of which weren't very much prospects (Salvo and Almonte) and it may only be two of which go to Texas. So I'm thinking the Sox lose something more like 4 prospets. Plus they get one back in Dunn, which is a net loss of 3. Odds are if things work out, they get at least 2 draft picks from the two guys that are acquired, which is another 2 prospects in return (IT could be 4 picks, but thats a ?) which is a net loss of one prospect and in the draft picks, if done right you should be able to get some top talent. using a lot of math tonite, uh plus i think we will get a supplemental 1 rounder for everett, have you forgotten colon in the equation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. D'uh? We are going to lose 6 prospects, of course we slide back a little. I was disappointed all the mentioned was Borch though, when guys like Cotts, Reed, and Wing have been much bigger surprises and have rocketed up the charts 6 prospects, two of which weren't very much prospects (Salvo and Almonte) and it may only be two of which go to Texas. So I'm thinking the Sox lose something more like 4 prospets. Plus they get one back in Dunn, which is a net loss of 3. Odds are if things work out, they get at least 2 draft picks from the two guys that are acquired, which is another 2 prospects in return (IT could be 4 picks, but thats a ?) which is a net loss of one prospect and in the draft picks, if done right you should be able to get some top talent. using a lot of math tonite, uh plus i think we will get a supplemental 1 rounder for everett, have you forgotten colon in the equation? I was only talking about the two trades the Sox made. If you want me to work out the whole scenario, here's what I got. -The Sox will get two compensation picks for Colon -Sox will get 2 for Alomar (maybe one, but I think 2) -Sox will get 2 for Everett (maybe one, but I think 2) Remember to get compensation we must offer abritatoin and they can only take 20% of a paycut so they'll need solid offers to go elsewhere. -Sox may get compensation for Valentin -May get compensation for Carlos (if he walks) Thats what I'm thinking of right now. I'm guessing the Sox should have 3 or 4 compensation picks at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. D'uh? We are going to lose 6 prospects, of course we slide back a little. I was disappointed all the mentioned was Borch though, when guys like Cotts, Reed, and Wing have been much bigger surprises and have rocketed up the charts 6 prospects, two of which weren't very much prospects (Salvo and Almonte) and it may only be two of which go to Texas. So I'm thinking the Sox lose something more like 4 prospets. Plus they get one back in Dunn, which is a net loss of 3. Odds are if things work out, they get at least 2 draft picks from the two guys that are acquired, which is another 2 prospects in return (IT could be 4 picks, but thats a ?) which is a net loss of one prospect and in the draft picks, if done right you should be able to get some top talent. using a lot of math tonite, uh plus i think we will get a supplemental 1 rounder for everett, have you forgotten colon in the equation? I was only talking about the two trades the Sox made. If you want me to work out the whole scenario, here's what I got. -The Sox will get two compensation picks for Colon -Sox will get 2 for Alomar (maybe one, but I think 2) -Sox will get 2 for Everett (maybe one, but I think 2) Remember to get compensation we must offer abritatoin and they can only take 20% of a paycut so they'll need solid offers to go elsewhere. -Sox may get compensation for Valentin -May get compensation for Carlos (if he walks) Thats what I'm thinking of right now. I'm guessing the Sox should have 3 or 4 compensation picks at the least. i don't know about 2 for alomar. i didn't know both clee and valentin are fa's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Ya, Lee is restricted or something so if we want him we can have him or I'm pretty sure on that. Wunsch is a free agent too while the Sox have options on Loaiza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 Ya, Lee is restricted or something so if we want him we can have him or I'm pretty sure on that. Wunsch is a free agent too while the Sox have options on Loaiza. well we will be lucky to get anything on wunch i am still surprise about clee. i could have remember a disussion earlier this season and no one was really sure. oh well, it looks as we just might get a slew of picks for the players that are leaving. however, trading clee now may be an intriguing move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I don't think the Sox get any picks for Carlos Lee. The Sox can either offer him arbitration and they keep him, or they can let him go and not be able to sign him to the 15th. Its kind of their call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 I don't think the Sox get any picks for Carlos Lee. The Sox can either offer him arbitration and they keep him, or they can let him go and not be able to sign him to the 15th. Its kind of their call. i will go with what you say, b/c i been trying to figure this one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 as an organization the sox minor league ranking BACKSLIDING Chicago White Sox (15) So far, their deadline deals have shipped out six prospects, though they avoided trading any of their most coveted youngsters. Joe Borchard's struggles in Triple-A have added to their problems. D'uh? We are going to lose 6 prospects, of course we slide back a little. I was disappointed all the mentioned was Borch though, when guys like Cotts, Reed, and Wing have been much bigger surprises and have rocketed up the charts 6 prospects, two of which weren't very much prospects (Salvo and Almonte) and it may only be two of which go to Texas. So I'm thinking the Sox lose something more like 4 prospets. Plus they get one back in Dunn, which is a net loss of 3. Odds are if things work out, they get at least 2 draft picks from the two guys that are acquired, which is another 2 prospects in return (IT could be 4 picks, but thats a ?) which is a net loss of one prospect and in the draft picks, if done right you should be able to get some top talent. using a lot of math tonite, uh plus i think we will get a supplemental 1 rounder for everett, have you forgotten colon in the equation? I was only talking about the two trades the Sox made. If you want me to work out the whole scenario, here's what I got. -The Sox will get two compensation picks for Colon -Sox will get 2 for Alomar (maybe one, but I think 2) -Sox will get 2 for Everett (maybe one, but I think 2) Remember to get compensation we must offer abritatoin and they can only take 20% of a paycut so they'll need solid offers to go elsewhere. -Sox may get compensation for Valentin -May get compensation for Carlos (if he walks) Thats what I'm thinking of right now. I'm guessing the Sox should have 3 or 4 compensation picks at the least. IF we offer them arbitration. Do you think we will offer them ALL arbit if we don't make hay in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Depends on the circumstances ss2k. It is possible, but the Sox GM will have some decisions to make based on his view of what the market will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Depends on the circumstances ss2k. It is possible, but the Sox GM will have some decisions to make based on his view of what the market will be. The thing is if we offer them arbit they can't have their pay cut by more than 20% right? So Roberto is instantly way to expensive. I don't know what Everett is making so I can't speak to that, but it is probably too much. Colon is about the only one I can see us offering arbit to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 ahhh, that is from BA. I saw same think in Sporting News' last issue, so Boyd may have written that for them or stole it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 How can Wunsch be FA, his rookie year was 2000, you have to have 6 years in first right??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 How can Wunsch be FA, his rookie year was 2000, you have to have 6 years in first right??? I do believe so, MSF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 I do believe so, MSF. Wunsch is in the same position as Carlos Lee. The Sox have rights to them, but they could opt not to sign them. Both are arbitration eligible or I think they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Wunsch is in the same position as Carlos Lee. The Sox have rights to them, but they could opt not to sign them. Both are arbitration eligible or I think they are. The Sox aren't going to non-tender Carlos Lee. No chance in hell. It's doubtful they would non-tender Wunsch. Those guys will either be with the Sox or traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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