LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 i am really impress with 2 players who were selected in the first rounders and wonders what it would take to get them. what is your take on ryan harvey, the player that the ScRubs took? by all accounts, he is a young mark mcguire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Harvey is really talented. This years class was full of talented highschool outfielders. He seems to have all the skills, but I think you just have to wait and see how he adjusts to wood bats and how he develops. Dmitri Young's brother really is the creme of the crop though, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 Harvey is really talented. This years class was full of talented highschool outfielders. He seems to have all the skills, but I think you just have to wait and see how he adjusts to wood bats and how he develops. Dmitri Young's brother really is the creme of the crop though, imo. yeah and tpa is can't sign him, ohhh i would like to make a trade for him. that brings me to another thought, there were at least 8 players who should have been drafted in the 1 round 1 sup round and 2 round, and yet they fell like a ton of bricks. the sox drafted what i see as 3 of these players. why didn;t they take a chance and went for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Because you need some guys that you can sign. The Sox are one of the very best teams at gauging interest in players that flal down and are supposed to be tough signs. They can't go after too many guys that are tough signs because you need to get some of the guys signed and in camp to fill rosters and ensure you have some talented players. Also, some guys just let it be known that they will play college no matter what and thats that. Nothing they can do about that and the MLB really frowns upon people paying huge money for latter round picks and thats what it takes to get those guys signed. And if people start signing those latter round picks to bigger money, then the price of draft picks would increase, something the owners wouldn't want. I didn't hear about any signing trouble with Young or Harvey. I'm sure they'll get good money, but thats that. Teams have budgets and they also have scouting reports, they may have other guys they want who they know they can sign. You can only take so many chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 Because you need some guys that you can sign. The Sox are one of the very best teams at gauging interest in players that flal down and are supposed to be tough signs. They can't go after too many guys that are tough signs because you need to get some of the guys signed and in camp to fill rosters and ensure you have some talented players. Also, some guys just let it be known that they will play college no matter what and thats that. Nothing they can do about that and the MLB really frowns upon people paying huge money for latter round picks and thats what it takes to get those guys signed. And if people start signing those latter round picks to bigger money, then the price of draft picks would increase, something the owners wouldn't want. I didn't hear about any signing trouble with Young or Harvey. I'm sure they'll get good money, but thats that. Teams have budgets and they also have scouting reports, they may have other guys they want who they know they can sign. You can only take so many chances. harvey was one the first to sign with the sCruBs. however the money difference in young case is huge. i see what you are saying, but man these kids that was drafted were worth the shot, however there were 2 players who were represented by boras. ref to your first sentence i wonder how much of that is true. i wonder if there are a stat somewhere that shows the success of the clubs signing their draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 LDF, budget is a big concern. Most teams have a set budget to sign all of their draft picks. Do they ever vary from that? Sure But to draft a ton of guys that may cost 1st round money (or close) woudn't make a lot of sense. If you don't have enough cash to sign someone or can't sign them because they want to go to college, then that is a wasted pick. I think you have to pick and choose in those situations. Even Billy Beane last year when he had those 7 or 8 picks in the first round (incl. supplemental) drafted guys who he knew would be signable. Several of the guys were overdrafted, many feel, because he knew he could sign them for less. Harvey is very highly regarded and was even briefly considered for the top overall pick. He signed quickly, but is rehabbing his knee which he injured before his senior year of HS. It was stipulated in his contract that he would not play until fall instructional league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Lastly, the Sox signed all of their first 10 draft picks. I am not sure if they have ever done that before. At least not in recent memory. That shows that they did their homework, not only in terms of talent, but in terms of signability as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 Lastly, the Sox signed all of their first 10 draft picks. I am not sure if they have ever done that before. At least not in recent memory. That shows that they did their homework, not only in terms of talent, but in terms of signability as well. you do have a point on this, so i will give way to your sage like wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 The first 10 picks costed the Sox only 3.875 million. Dunno about the other 10 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 We took a couple guys who were not rated that highly because we could sign them, I do not care for that tho. Kelly and King were stretches I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Kelly from Pepperdine was a stretch, but King was not. He was near the top of all of D1 in HRs and SLG%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 We took a couple guys who were not rated that highly because we could sign them, I do not care for that tho. Kelly and King were stretches I think. i think the same, but king is doing well, i think i got the right one. it was here that i would have gone for some of the others like andy d'alessio, kyle mcculloch, aaron jensen, greg reynolds and esp andrew miller, jared hughes who were projected to be in the top 10 picks before the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 Kelly from Pepperdine was a stretch, but King was not. He was near the top of all of D1 in HRs and SLG%. thing is king wasn't even ranked in the top 200 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Yes LDF, King was not rated highly, had good stats, but not much else going for him. He got real hot in SEC tourney and we must have put a lot of stock on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Yes LDF, King was not rated highly, had good stats, but not much else going for him. He got real hot in SEC tourney and we must have put a lot of stock on that. MSF, I know you are from up there in frozen tundra, but King came from Southern Mississippi. They are not a member of the high and mighty SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 After a slow start at Great Falls, King is now hitting .258. He received a $440 K signing bonus, so somebody must have liked his stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 20, 2003 Author Share Posted July 20, 2003 After a slow start at Great Falls, King is now hitting .258. He received a $440 K signing bonus, so somebody must have liked his stick. i hope he goes out and tears up the league. but in ref to the other picks, i still would have taken a shot of the others kids i mention. esp miller and hughs. they would have been worth pursuing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 MSF, I know you are from up there in frozen tundra, but King came from Southern Mississippi. They are not a member of the high and mighty SEC. s***, my bad, now I have even less enthusiasm over this guy, I thought he was an SEC guy with those stats. Cause I know how highly you regard that conference :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 s***, my bad, now I have even less enthusiasm over this guy, I thought he was an SEC guy with those stats. Cause I know how highly you regard that conference :-) That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 20, 2003 Author Share Posted July 20, 2003 That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL big 10 baseball??????? now i have a problem respecting your knowledge on baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL big 10 baseball??????? now i have a problem respecting your knowledge on baseball. Work with me LDF, will ya? LOL I am a Big Ten guy in general. But I can certainly tell the difference between SEC Baseball and Big Ten Baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL Big West baseball is what its about. Fullerton and Long Beach State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL Big West baseball is what its about. Fullerton and Long Beach State. Give it up! You might have an argument if you wanna bring up Big 12 baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL Big West baseball is what its about. Fullerton and Long Beach State. Give it up! You might have an argument if you wanna bring up Big 12 baseball. I'm just saying its one of the best baseball conferences out their and it gets no credit. UC RIverside is building a pretty good program too. And Mark my words, UC Irvine will become a powerhouse baseball program. Either way Fullerton and Beach have two of the best programs in the country. Your right though, SEC is the best. I'd take the Big West over the Pac10 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL Big West baseball is what its about. Fullerton and Long Beach State. Give it up! You might have an argument if you wanna bring up Big 12 baseball. I'm just saying its one of the best baseball conferences out their and it gets no credit. UC RIverside is building a pretty good program too. And Mark my words, UC Irvine will become a powerhouse baseball program. Either way Fullerton and Beach have two of the best programs in the country. Your right though, SEC is the best. I'd take the Big West over the Pac10 though. I won't argue with there. The Big West does play great baseball. There are several great conferences out west. The thing that makes the Big 12 and especially the SEC different is the support they get from the fans. Not all of the teams draw real well (there is Kentucky and Vandy), but despite those teams they average over 3,000 fans a game, including non-conference games. LSU averages a hearty 7,478 and Mississippi State averages 6,472. Baseball is huge and fans travel every weekend in RV's following the teams around. The SEC Baseball Tournament is held here in Birmingham at the Barons stadium and every year they draw 100,000-125,000 fans for the 5 day tournament. This year, they sold out an RV lot of 250 spaces over a month before the tournament. It's a pretty cool event. I have been to a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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