White sox loser... but achieve something that is hard to accomplish

[Chisoxfn]

Konerko's/Dye's passivity shows in these times. Dye basically walked home on Thome's homer today. No energy indeed.

And there's nothing wrong with that as long as you have other people that can provide it. Unfortunately this squad has zero f***ing vocal or emotional leaders and its f***ing pathetic. You thought they learned from 07 but no they didn't. I really miss OC right now, like a whole f***ing lot.

[Dick Allen]

How many guys leave the White Sox and go on to become significantly better hitters elsewhere? If there was a guy that hit .220 under Walker but .280-.300 under someone else, and it happened more than once or twice, the Walker bashers might have a point. I really don't see any of that yet, although I'm sure Swisher's name will come up, but one of the reasons the Sox got rid of Swisher was his refusal to listen to Walker. His batting coach is his father.

[Cali]

The Sad thing is that absolutely NOTHING is gonna change...

 

We're gonna hear nothing to votes of irresponsible confidence by Ozzie.

Edited May 18, 2009 by Cali

[SoxFan562004]

funny, they had a real shot at splitting but for bad outings by Dotel and Linebrink.

Linebrink game I'll give you because if memory serves me right, they had the lead. However, today, Dotel gave up a tie and wasn't expecting the Sox to score more runs anytime soon in that game.

[Dick Allen]

The Sad thing is that absolutely NOTHING is gonna change...

Either that or they will find an even worse player or two to give some playing time. The White Sox cheapness has really caught up to them this season.

[Chisoxfn]

How many guys leave the White Sox and go on to become significantly better hitters elsewhere? If there was a guy that hit .220 under Walker but .280-.300 under someone else, and it happened more than once or twice, the Walker bashers might have a point. I really don't see any of that yet, although I'm sure Swisher's name will come up, but one of the reasons the Sox got rid of Swisher was his refusal to listen to Walker. His batting coach is his father.

And he's hitting something atrocious as his numbers are shooting way back down. I agree with you ont his Dick, however, I also agree something needs to be done as the management did a f***ing horrendous job and right now I see lifeless play and that is un-f***ing-acceptable.

[SoxFan562004]

And he's hitting something atrocious as his numbers are shooting way back down. I agree with you ont his Dick, however, I also agree something needs to be done as the management did a f***ing horrendous job and right now I see lifeless play and that is un-f***ing-acceptable.

Swisher still has a OPS+ of 137 and his career average is 113, so he's regressing to his average now, but I wouldn't be shocked if he goes back to putting up similar numbers he had before he came to the Sox.

 

It's mind boggling how this team seems to just be sleep walking through every game, except when there's a borderline call at HP then they act like had their first born child taken from them.

[fathom]

And he's hitting something atrocious as his numbers are shooting way back down. I agree with you ont his Dick, however, I also agree something needs to be done as the management did a f***ing horrendous job and right now I see lifeless play and that is un-f***ing-acceptable.

 

What exactly is Ozzie doing to help this team this season? He's lost so much fire, as he seems almost scared to challenge a call on the field. I know he's not going to be fired, but he can't keep sitting back with the attitude of "I'll be here longer than any of the players will, so it's their job to change". Like I mentioned before, way too much job security for members of the organization.

[elrockinMT]

All I can say is that you knew what was going to happen when Dotel walked the lead off batter

[Chisoxfn]

Swisher still has a OPS+ of 137 and his career average is 113, so he's regressing to his average now, but I wouldn't be shocked if he goes back to putting up similar numbers he had before he came to the Sox.

 

It's mind boggling how this team seems to just be sleep walking through every game, except when there's a borderline call at HP then they act like had their first born child taken from them.

And he's a garbage player. I don't care what his OPS says. If you hit under .250 you pretty much suck in my book. Sure he'll hit some doubles and can play average defense at multiple positions and draw some walks, but as a whole, he's not a good baseball player. I think he would be a good fit in the NL, but you put a team full of Swishers and they'll be a very very bad f***ing offensive team and thats why OPS + and all that OPS stuff can piss off at times.

[NorthSideSox72]

All I can say is that you knew what was going to happen when Dotel walked the lead off batter

This is actually true - you can usually tell right from the first batter whether or not Dotel has it that game.

 

[fathom]

You are right, and it's sad. It's sad that i've reached the acceptance stage of 2009 being a failure this early. It's sad our major league roster is so bereft of talent (although I see a lot of hope and promise in our minor league system), it's sad nobody is held accountable, and it's sad our team is going to probably finish in 4th place in front of an empty ballpark this year. I'm not a fan of booing the home team, but if people boo tomorrow, I can't blame them.

 

I'll be completely honest (and opening myself up for ridicule), but I'm about two weeks away from going into full anti-Cubs mode and hope the young guys play well for the White Sox. This has been just a dreadful baseball season since Game 2, and it's shockingly getting worse as the days go by.

[NorthSideSox72]

I'll be completely honest (and opening myself up for ridicule), but I'm about two weeks away from going into full anti-Cubs mode and hope the young guys play well for the White Sox. This has been just a dreadful baseball season since Game 2, and it's shockingly getting worse as the days go by.

Wait... you aren't in full anti-Cubs mode now? You have like half the posts in the Cubs thread.

 

This does suck right now though, no argument there.

 

[shipps]

You guys are throwing the words "fire" and "passion" around way too much. Its about production not if Fields has a passion filled SO. When a team sucks it looks like the dont care but that is rarely the case.

[Dick Allen]

And he's hitting something atrocious as his numbers are shooting way back down. I agree with you ont his Dick, however, I also agree something needs to be done as the management did a f***ing horrendous job and right now I see lifeless play and that is un-f***ing-acceptable.

Ozzie had a little blow up a week or so ago and they were interviewing JD about it. JD basically rolled his eyes and said the team was used to it, so I think some new "motivation" needs to be worked out. Of course there is the possibility that this team just isn't any good. I would like KW to be bold, but it appears the White Sox front office has gone into hiding and is waiting on the Barons to come up and show they are ready before committing any more money to real players. Its very dissappointing. Maybe this time KW will realize he doesn't have everything figured out. Its tough playing without Quentin, but one thing Carlos hasn't shown he can do yet is stay healthy. You have to expect him to miss time. Thome, Dye, Konerko, you have to expect they will miss time as well, they aren't getting younger. So injuries are no excuse. Its like being shocked Joe Crede has back spasms. This team wasn't set up real well to begin with. Its time KW either gets real aggressive getting better, or real aggressive shedding payroll so he can be a player when some better players become available again. I really don't think the current roster, even when 100% healthy, is in the same class as the better teams in baseball.

[fathom]

And he's a garbage player. I don't care what his OPS says. If you hit under .250 you pretty much suck in my book. Sure he'll hit some doubles and can play average defense at multiple positions and draw some walks, but as a whole, he's not a good baseball player. I think he would be a good fit in the NL, but you put a team full of Swishers and they'll be a very very bad f***ing offensive team and thats why OPS + and all that OPS stuff can piss off at times.

 

Shouldn't the argument not be about Swisher, but about the fact the package we received for him was such garbage? I have no problem with the Sox trading him, as Ozzie and company obviously didn't gel with his style.

[Cali]

Ozzie and Kenny are just way too f***ing stubborn and/or loyal....

 

This is really no time for wait and see, just do SOMETHING to shake things up. It doesn't have to be a fire sale, but I sure as s*** am not opposed to it...

[fathom]

You guys are throwing the words "fire" and "passion" around way too much. Its about production not if Fields has a passion filled SO. When a team sucks it looks like the dont care but that is rarely the case.

 

When a team consistently comes out in the first inning and goes 1-2-3, it makes you question their focus.

[fathom]

Wait... you aren't in full anti-Cubs mode now? You have like half the posts in the Cubs thread.

 

This does suck right now though, no argument there.

 

Yeah, what happened to people staying out of that thread that had nothing to add to the conversation? Poor justwin. There's a difference between posting about the game as it's going on compared to being happier when the Cubs lose than if the Sox win though.

[Dick Allen]

This is actually true - you can usually tell right from the first batter whether or not Dotel has it that game.

This is true. Its very rare Dotel gives up a hit or walk to the first batter and he's able to wiggle out of it. It seems the first batter will tell you almost exactly how Dotel will fare that day.

[fathom]

I would love to know the OBP for the #9 hitter against the Sox pitchers this year compared to our #9 hitter.

[MEANS]

did todays start time get changed? it was originally 6:07 cst. oh well glad i wasn't able to follow it anyway....ugh

[Flash Tizzle]

Shouldn't the argument not be about Swisher, but about the fact the package we received for him was such garbage? I have no problem with the Sox trading him, as Ozzie and company obviously didn't gel with his style.

When you trade players and ask the opposing team to take on the entire contract, you're often going to receive crap.

[BearSox]

How many guys leave the White Sox and go on to become significantly better hitters elsewhere? If there was a guy that hit .220 under Walker but .280-.300 under someone else, and it happened more than once or twice, the Walker bashers might have a point. I really don't see any of that yet, although I'm sure Swisher's name will come up, but one of the reasons the Sox got rid of Swisher was his refusal to listen to Walker. His batting coach is his father.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but someone needs to be held accountable for this sorry excuse of an offense. I know it takes time, but there has been absolutely no improvement. Well, we did have 7 hits today!

 

You can't really fire the players, but you can fire the coaches. I think this whole group of coaches and KW are much too loyal to each other, and the refusal to split any of them up is absurd. You need a good connection between the coaches, but when it gets to the point that you are afraid to make 1 single change because it might hurt someone's feelings, that's just garbage.

[BearSox]

Shouldn't the argument not be about Swisher, but about the fact the package we received for him was such garbage? I have no problem with the Sox trading him, as Ozzie and company obviously didn't gel with his style.

Shouldn't the argument be why in hell did we trade anything for the bum in the first place?