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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 21, 2009 -> 07:17 PM)
Beckham and Danks both hit homers. 5-1 Barons in the third.

Danks and Beckham are incredible. There was about a two week adjustment period for both of them and they've never looked back. Flowers hardly even needed a week!

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:59 AM)
The Braves trade is an absolute winner. KW deserves a medal for that.

 

Why's that? Javy's doing a great job for the Braves. Gilmore, until recently, was doing horrible. Flowers is having a good, not spectacular season. I think Atlanta has to be pretty happy about that trade so far.

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QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2009 -> 09:01 PM)
Why's that? Javy's doing a great job for the Braves. Gilmore, until recently, was doing horrible. Flowers is having a good, not spectacular season. I think Atlanta has to be pretty happy about that trade so far.

The organization was clearly done with Javy V. To get someone like Flowers for him is incredibly impressive. We have a guy who's hitting well enough to justify being put into the 2010 picture.

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the javy deal is alot more acceptable than the swisher deal IMO

 

I've publicly said here that people need to temper their enthusiasm about JorDanks, because he was still a 7th round pick that scouts had serious concerns over where his power went from his HS days, but I gotta admit...I'm starting to get pretty damn excited about this kid. He Ks alot, but he also has shown a great ability to get on base so far....hitting for high average and drawing a nice number of walks....23 in 150 ABs. I think he's got a shot at being a curtis granderson type player

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QUOTE (daa84 @ May 22, 2009 -> 02:13 AM)
the javy deal is alot more acceptable than the swisher deal IMO

 

I've publicly said here that people need to temper their enthusiasm about JorDanks, because he was still a 7th round pick that scouts had serious concerns over where his power went from his HS days, but I gotta admit...I'm starting to get pretty damn excited about this kid. He Ks alot, but he also has shown a great ability to get on base so far....hitting for high average and drawing a nice number of walks....23 in 150 ABs. I think he's got a shot at being a curtis granderson type player

 

Daa, you know you're my boy, but don't worry about Danks draft slot. The MLB draft, as you know, is impossible to judge due to signability issues, etc. The day of the draft, the Danks family let it known that they were going to seek well above 2nd round money (where he was slotted to go). For once, this worked out in our favor.

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QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2009 -> 06:01 PM)
Why's that? Javy's doing a great job for the Braves. Gilmore, until recently, was doing horrible. Flowers is having a good, not spectacular season. I think Atlanta has to be pretty happy about that trade so far.

Given the financial savings and talent the Sox acquired, it was a tremendous deal and easily KW's best selling move of his career (Danks isn't a sell move and Floyd is still open but if he does what he did last year for his career than that is an incredible sell). Rodriguez and Gilmore are very raw talents, Gilmore with the ability to be an all star 3rd baseman (if he gets everything on track and he's extremely young and raw) and than Flowers is a f***ing machine at the plate. Nice swing too so he might just be one of those statisticians dreams, solid average, tons of walks, 30+hr power, OPS and OBP machine.

 

And I'm sure the Braves are happy because javy is a darn good NL pitcher.

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 07:41 PM)
Danks and Beckham are incredible. There was about a two week adjustment period for both of them and they've never looked back. Flowers hardly even needed a week!

Flowers is hitting .268. I want better than that.

 

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 21, 2009 -> 08:13 PM)
the javy deal is alot more acceptable than the swisher deal IMO

 

I've publicly said here that people need to temper their enthusiasm about JorDanks, because he was still a 7th round pick that scouts had serious concerns over where his power went from his HS days, but I gotta admit...I'm starting to get pretty damn excited about this kid. He Ks alot, but he also has shown a great ability to get on base so far....hitting for high average and drawing a nice number of walks....23 in 150 ABs. I think he's got a shot at being a curtis granderson type player

As has been said, he only slipped because of signability issues but that Vazquez trade is a total joke right now. Flowers better start hitting again for that deal to look acceptable. Gilmore sucks.

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Torres with yet another solid outing. With this guy's performance, his numbers throughout his minor league career, his peripherals, and the scouting reports I have seen... someone needs to explain to me why he isn't taken seriously.

 

Levi Maxwell just not having a good year at all, now 0-7.

 

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QUOTE (danman31 @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:45 AM)
Gilmore sucks.

 

 

He sucked in April... batting .143 in 70 at-bats.

 

Looks pretty good in May... batting .324 in 71 at-bats... including going 15-38 (.395) over his last 10 games.

 

Also, he struck out 20 times in April... only 5 times so far in May. Sounds like he's adjusted to the pitching in low-A.

 

 

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QUOTE (scenario @ May 22, 2009 -> 11:15 AM)
He sucked in April... batting .143 in 70 at-bats.

 

Looks pretty good in May... batting .324 in 71 at-bats... including going 15-38 (.395) over his last 10 games.

 

Also, he struck out 20 times in April... only 5 times so far in May. Sounds like he's adjusted to the pitching in low-A.

 

 

And he's still only 20 years old and less than two years removed from being the 33rd overall pick out of high school. At this point in his career, writing him and saying he sucks is ignorant

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And ignoring the lefty Rodrigeuz we received is poor too. Dan, your statement was wrong, hehe. Not often I disagree with you but this is one of those times. Of course, Its starting to look like you were right about ole Chris Young afterall.

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 08:06 PM)
The organization was clearly done with Javy V. To get someone like Flowers for him is incredibly impressive. We have a guy who's hitting well enough to justify being put into the 2010 picture.

 

Until any member of that trade is in the team picture it is a bust of a trade considering what is being run out there by the Sox right now related to their rotation.

 

Vazquez only flaw was not living up to the hype.

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QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ May 22, 2009 -> 10:51 AM)
Until any member of that trade is in the team picture it is a bust of a trade considering what is being run out there by the Sox right now related to their rotation.

 

Vazquez only flaw was not living up to the hype.

 

I dont understand that, Vazquez was a liability 2 seasons he was here, sure he gave us innings but he was horrible and getting paid to be a front line starter. I bet by the end of this season, Vazquez has an era in the 4's again in the NL.

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The fact is the White Sox publically derided Javy while he was still on the damn team. To do that and still get some damn good value out of him is not only great, but also a clear sign that KW knows exactly what he's doing. Also, we talking Batting Average here? Really? Have you seen Flowers' OPS? The guy's a below average fielder, but he's learning that damn position and giving you a balls out offensive performance, with AJ reaching his twilight years and swinging at nearly everything can we really afford to complain here?

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 11:10 AM)
Also, we talking Batting Average here? Really? Have you seen Flowers' OPS? The guy's a below average fielder, but he's learning that damn position and giving you a balls out offensive performance, with AJ reaching his twilight years and swinging at nearly everything can we really afford to complain here?

 

30 BB, 34 K, .444 OBP, .464 SLG, .268 AVG, .908 OPS sounds pretty good to me, though I would like to see that batting average climb a bit. 30 BB/34 K is really encouraging.

 

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QUOTE (scenario @ May 22, 2009 -> 10:15 AM)
He sucked in April... batting .143 in 70 at-bats.

 

Looks pretty good in May... batting .324 in 71 at-bats... including going 15-38 (.395) over his last 10 games.

 

Also, he struck out 20 times in April... only 5 times so far in May. Sounds like he's adjusted to the pitching in low-A.

 

 

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 22, 2009 -> 10:37 AM)
And he's still only 20 years old and less than two years removed from being the 33rd overall pick out of high school. At this point in his career, writing him and saying he sucks is ignorant

 

Gilmore really seems to be following the Brandon Allen career arc. He seems to be adjusting slowly to each level, but he is on the young end for the leagues he is at. Once he figures it out, he goes crazy. It will be interesting to keep an eye on him.

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QUOTE (danman31 @ May 22, 2009 -> 04:45 AM)
Flowers is hitting .268. I want better than that.

 

 

As has been said, he only slipped because of signability issues but that Vazquez trade is a total joke right now. Flowers better start hitting again for that deal to look acceptable. Gilmore sucks.

Flowers also has a .455 OBP. Ya, I'd like to see him get his average up, but he's getting on base a helluva lot.

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