DBAHO Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I saw Cabrera against the Giants a couple of weeks back. He walked about 6 or 7 hitters in less than 5 innings, including 2 with the bases loaded and 2 out. We can do better. A lot better. And besides our SP has actually been pretty decent lately ever since Contreras left the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 28, 2009 -> 07:32 AM) So its not possible to have a businessman deliberately mislead a paper, huh? What does saying he didn't know KW was after Peavy after the fact accomplish? Sure they don't always tell the truth, funny when I have said that about their payroll these past 5 months, what JR and KW say is gospel. If they say there is nothing to spend, there is nothing to spend. Now its "you really believe everything they tell the media? You are naive." I like JR. I believe this story. There is nothing to gain by deceiving here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think the best bet is for Peavy to change his mind closer to the deadline, because trading for any of the other pitchers mentioned on this forum is completely unrealistic. I can't believe some people here were happy we didn't get Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 28, 2009 -> 08:53 AM) I can't believe some people here were happy we didn't get Peavy. He's afraid to pitch in the AL, he's making a ton of money, and most of all, he doesn't want to be here. I'm not saying he wouldn't improve the team, but I can understand why people didn't want him. I, personally, don't like the idea of one player taking up nearly 1/5 of the team's payroll - unless that player's name happens to be Albert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (BaseballNick @ May 28, 2009 -> 09:26 AM) He's afraid to pitch in the AL, he's making a ton of money, and most of all, he doesn't want to be here. I'm not saying he wouldn't improve the team, but I can understand why people didn't want him. I, personally, don't like the idea of one player taking up nearly 1/5 of the team's payroll - unless that player's name happens to be Albert. Peavy's salary is pretty much the going rate for a top of the rotation starter, give or take a couple of million. If you don't want to pay that much money, then you're not going to trade for a #1 starter. Now, if you personally would not rather allocate the money into one pitcher, I can understand that. However, there were some here who want and think we can trade for another comparable pitcher with a comparable contract. I don't think that's possible. Edited May 28, 2009 by Frankensteiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Dick... First of all, no business owner WANTS to operate in the red. Second, JR and the board lets his people do their work without interfering. JR used to do more, but I think he trusts Kenny. AND if they have to interfere, then there is a problem. Third (since Steff isn't here), JR is the face of the board. He doesn't make the absolute decision. The board does. Finally, what's wrong with leaving a little money left over and hiding it from the public? If agents and players hear..."Hey! The White Sox have cash to burn!" Then the Sox have little to no negotiating power. And really, the White Sox organization doesn't have to answer to you. Or me. Or anyone on this board. Or in Chicago. If you are sick of it, don't go to games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 28, 2009 -> 02:53 PM) I think the best bet is for Peavy to change his mind closer to the deadline, because trading for any of the other pitchers mentioned on this forum is completely unrealistic. I can't believe some people here were happy we didn't get Peavy. I'm thrilled we didn't get him. No doubt in my mind that in 3 years, we'll be better off having Poreda, Richard, and Hudson in the organization than having Peavy making near 20 million. Give me those 3 guys, and spend the 20 million on other holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2009 -> 08:39 AM) I'm thrilled we didn't get him. No doubt in my mind that in 3 years, we'll be better off having Poreda, Richard, and Hudson in the organization than having Peavy making near 20 million. Give me those 3 guys, and spend the 20 million on other holes. The fun thing is...we could keep Poreda, Richard, and Hudson, and spend $20 million to grab another pitcher this offseason or next offseason if we really wanted to go that route. And I doubt we'd have to be locked in for as long as we would be with Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ May 28, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) Dick... First of all, no business owner WANTS to operate in the red. Second, JR and the board lets his people do their work without interfering. JR used to do more, but I think he trusts Kenny. AND if they have to interfere, then there is a problem. Third (since Steff isn't here), JR is the face of the board. He doesn't make the absolute decision. The board does. Finally, what's wrong with leaving a little money left over and hiding it from the public? If agents and players hear..."Hey! The White Sox have cash to burn!" Then the Sox have little to no negotiating power. And really, the White Sox organization doesn't have to answer to you. Or me. Or anyone on this board. Or in Chicago. If you are sick of it, don't go to games. If you read the article, JR gave KW his approval so apparently he still does have to approve. There's nothing wrong with making a profit. Just don't say you have $.50 when everything costs $1, don't say you may have to switch all the late season games to day games because you can't afford the electric bill. The White Sox cry poor more than any other professional sports team in Chicago, by far. Its very old, and I'm not the only one that finds it old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 You repeating yourself over and over and over and over about how the Sox are cheap is getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2009 -> 10:53 AM) If you read the article, JR gave KW his approval so apparently he still does have to approve. There's nothing wrong with making a profit. Just don't say you have $.50 when everything costs $1, don't say you may have to switch all the late season games to day games because you can't afford the electric bill. The White Sox cry poor more than any other professional sports team in Chicago, by far. Its very old, and I'm not the only one that finds it old. This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Someone started singing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because, This the song that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends, Just when you think you have reached the end, the songs begins again. This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Someone started singing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because, This the song that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends, Just when you think you have reached the end, the songs begins again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2009 -> 11:20 AM) All I have ever said is despite their previous comments, they have money to spend, which of course I was ripped for by a certain contingent on this board. Agreeing to pick up Peavy more than proved my point, and if you think he was the "special" player that has been mentioned in the past that JR would break the budget for, ask yourself if acquiring Jake Peavy guaranteed the White Sox would win the WS. Ask yourself if it even guaranteed them being .500. Is there ever a guaruntee in baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2009 -> 10:39 AM) I'm thrilled we didn't get him. No doubt in my mind that in 3 years, we'll be better off having Poreda, Richard, and Hudson in the organization than having Peavy making near 20 million. Give me those 3 guys, and spend the 20 million on other holes. I am shocked anyone would say this. In terms of talent, this deal was a no-brainer. No other team in the league will trade an ace pitcher for such a below market price. We have no guarantee any of those guys can even stick in a major league rotation, and you wouldn't trade them for a 27 year old Cy Young pitcher? Really? As far as the $20 mil salary, that's not entirely accurate as he would only be making that much for one year of his contract. In terms of holes, we have one starting pitcher with an ERA under 4 right now. I'd say that's our most significant hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) The fun thing is...we could keep Poreda, Richard, and Hudson, and spend $20 million to grab another pitcher this offseason or next offseason if we really wanted to go that route. And I doubt we'd have to be locked in for as long as we would be with Peavy. I've read this a couple of times, but I need some actual names who we can sign and/or acquire with that money. Because I don't see anyone as good as Peavy becoming available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 28, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) I've read this a couple of times, but I need some actual names who we can sign and/or acquire with that money. Because I don't see anyone as good as Peavy becoming available. Josh Beckett - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout Erik Bedard Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden Tim Hudson - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout John Lackey Cliff Lee - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout Brett Myers Brandon Webb - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout Todd Wellemeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 28, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) I've read this a couple of times, but I need some actual names who we can sign and/or acquire with that money. Because I don't see anyone as good as Peavy becoming available. Here's a list: Starting pitchers Josh Beckett - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout Erik Bedard Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden Tim Hudson - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout John Lackey Cliff Lee - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout Brett Myers Brandon Webb - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout Todd Wellemeyer I'm with you, nothing all that attractive except for Lackey. You have to figure he will command at least as much cash as AJ Burnett which probably rules out the White Sox. You have to figure Beckett won't be availalble, Hudson probably but he's been hurt, Lee's option will be picked up either by the Indians or the team they trade him to, and Webb's option will be picked up if he's healthy. The others all have issues. Edited May 28, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 uncanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 28, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) Josh Beckett - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout Erik Bedard Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden Tim Hudson - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout John Lackey Cliff Lee - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout Brett Myers Brandon Webb - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout Todd Wellemeyer The guys with options will have them picked up. I don't see how the Angels don't re-sign Lackey, or if they actually don't, how he doesn't end up with one of the east coast teams. We always lose bidding wars. Bedard is OK, but nowhere near as good as Peavy. Underwhelming list of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 28, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) Josh Beckett - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout Erik Bedard Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden Tim Hudson - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout John Lackey Cliff Lee - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout Brett Myers Brandon Webb - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout Todd Wellemeyer QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2009 -> 12:05 PM) Here's a list: Starting pitchers Josh Beckett - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout Erik Bedard Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden Tim Hudson - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout John Lackey Cliff Lee - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout Brett Myers Brandon Webb - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout Todd Wellemeyer LOL, apparently Steve and DA like the same websites or sources to copy/paste from. Or this was the most bizarre coincidence ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 28, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) LOL, apparently Steve and DA like the same websites or sources to copy/paste from. Or this was the most bizarre coincidence ever. I just googled and took the first one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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