Derrick Rose's High School Grades Were Altered

[Dick Allen]

I just don't have the time or energy to summon this well of phony self-righteous indignation when I hear of athletes doing unethical things. It's too common for me to give a s***. Call me when one of them commits a crime or hurts somebody else or does something otherwise has an obvious negative effect, then I'll care. Hell, I posted an article this morning about an NBA player saving this woman from drowning and nobody responded (yet), but people are on here blasting Rose because someone changed a D to a C... what's that say?

As far as I know, Rose had nothing to do with that. He did have someone take the SAT for him, and if he's not bright enough to know that's wrong, he's not bright enough to attend college. I'm all for my alma mater (Iowa) winning, but I don't think it should be at any cost. When all the football players kept getting arrested, it was embarrassing. Putting up with Pierre Pierce because he might help you get into the tournament was embarrassing. When I was there and the wrestling team was winning NCAA title after title, being at party after party these guys showed up at and started fights every single time made me wonder if it was really worth having these morons on campus. College isn't for everyone. Just because you're exceptional at something athletically shouldn't make everyone ignore everything else.

Edited May 29, 2009 by Dick Allen

[lostfan]

As far as I know, Rose had nothing to do with that. He did have someone take the SAT for him, and if he's not bright enough to know that's wrong, he's not bright enough to attend college. I'm all for my alma mater (Iowa) winning, but I don't think it should be at any cost. When all the football players kept getting arrested, it was embarrassing. Putting up with Pierre Pierce because he might help you get into the tournament was embarrassing. When I was there and the wrestling team was winning NCAA title after title, being at party after party these guys showed up at and started fights every single time made me wonder if it was really worth having these morons on campus. College isn't for everyone. Just because you're exceptional at something athletically shouldn't make everyone ignore everything else.

Meh obviously it was wrong. But it's like... so? And? What's going to happen, the NBA is supposed to suspend Rose or something?

[Soxbadger]

I can't help but wonder what this thread would look like if Derrick Rose was a Piston, Cavalier or Laker.

 

Well it wouldnt change for me.

 

NCAA athletes do so much for the school that if it was up to me they wouldnt even have to take classes. I dont care what grades Ron Dayne got or what Devin Harris scored on his ACT. They went to Wisconsin to play football, I went to Wisconsin for school.

 

Their "degree" should be based on football.

 

Actually many people would still do the work, because they do actually want to learn something. These are the same people who read in their own free time, and go back to study for higher degrees because they want to. We do exist out there.

 

I dont understand what the relevance of this statement is.

 

I doubt that its Derrick Rose didnt want to learn, he just obviously wasnt very bright.

 

Some people can play basketball, some people can learn.

 

If one of the tests to enter college was to dunk a basketball, Id never have been able to enter college. No matter how hard I tried or work, Im limited in that respect.

 

Maybe Rose has a learning disability, who knows. I guess I just dont care and in some ways feel sorry that his education was so poor he couldnt pass the SAT score necessary to get into the NCAA.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

Meh obviously it was wrong. But it's like... so? And? What's going to happen, the NBA is supposed to suspend Rose or something?

No, but Rose at the very least should pay back all the money he was given and the value of his scholarship with interest.

 

The fact is no matter what happens to Memphis or Calipari or Rose, this stuff isn't going to stop, so they should stop the sham and pay them and give them an option of not having to be students.

[Palehosefan]

I'm not going to get too deep into this, but I can tell you that Mike Leach and Pat Knight both make their players go to class, study, or be kicked off the team. These guys take the academic side even more serious than the athletic side. Tech's two starting DE's this year were both kicked off the team for lack of academic progress.

 

As for the money these players are making for their school. In the end it just about balances out.

 

85 roster players in football, 50k scholarships = 4.25M. If the school is lucky, 10 of the guys on scholarship currently will play in the NFL and possibly give back to the school in publicity and/or monetary donations.

 

That's in essence what a scholarship is, the school taking a chance on an athlete or academian in hopes that they will be successful in life and give back to the school in reputation or monetary increases.

 

Kids like Rose that have no business being in college shouldn't be getting offers from these garbage coaches like Calipari, but at this point there's nothing much you can do about it until the NCAA steps in. Rose should not have been accepted into a college, and shouldn't have been sitting in classrooms with legitimate students that earned or payed their way into the college. You have to put most of the blame with a garbage coach like Calipari, but some blame has to reside with the kid himself. He could have been earning his money in the NBDL or overseas, instead he chose to take his money from a college and garbage coach.

[Soxbadger]

The fact is no matter what happens to Memphis or Calipari or Rose, this stuff isn't going to stop, so they should stop the sham and pay them and give them an option of not having to be students.

 

Itll stop if they kill Cal's career and take Memphis down with it.

 

No coach would risk their career and no school would risk their program.

 

The problem is that the NCAA is complacent and does not want it to stop. They cant have the top players playing JUCO or over seas for a year. It will hurt the NCAA product and eventually would cause people to consider creating a new league that allowed 18 year olds. In order for the NCAA/NBA to keep the status quo they have to bend the rules so kids can get into top programs.

 

Which is why there will be very little done.

[maggsmaggs]

Another thing that is wrong here is making kids even go to college because it clearly isn't for everyone. IMO, it should be you either can skip college and go to the NBA or you go to college and have to stay for at least three years like the NFL. Rose never should have stepped foot in a college classroom because it just makes a mockery of the entire system. How many times did he go to class? How many times did he actually do his work?

[Soxbadger]

As for the money these players are making for their school. In the end it just about balances out.

 

85 roster players in football, 50k scholarships = 4.25M. If the school is lucky, 10 of the guys on scholarship currently will play in the NFL and possibly give back to the school in publicity and/or monetary donations.

 

So the publicity is worth 0?

 

The gate to the sporting events are worth 0?

 

The donations from boosters are worth0?

 

The donations from alumni are worth 0?

 

The school and NCAA makes millions off of these players, which is why they dont care about "rules".

 

 

[Texsox]

Another thing that is wrong here is making kids even go to college because it clearly isn't for everyone. IMO, it should be you either can skip college and go to the NBA or you go to college and have to stay for at least three years like the NFL. Rose never should have stepped foot in a college classroom because it just makes a mockery of the entire system. How many times did he go to class? How many times did he actually do his work?

 

Very good point. And to follow up, was it unreasonable to Rose to expect the college to do for him the same as his HS did?

 

And while I believe in personal accountability and responsibility, clearly a hs kid is over-matched in this college academics business. They are some times used and abused by college coaches and universities trying to further their own agendas at the expense of the young person. But it seems to me the solution isn't altering grades, but forcing a system where they can achieve academic success as well. How many resources could have been made available to Rose to actually earn a "C"? If the athletic programs were forced to do right for the student, we'd see the kind of resources necessary so players sho can make millions for the school, can earn a living when they leave.

 

Who was it that robbed a 7-11, in his DePaul letterman's jacket, six months after graduation he left DePaul?

[WilliamTell]

Teachers always told us that cheaters never prosper. Damnit, I was lied to!

[Palehosefan]

So the publicity is worth 0?

 

The gate to the sporting events are worth 0?

 

The donations from boosters are worth0?

 

The donations from alumni are worth 0?

 

The school and NCAA makes millions off of these players, which is why they dont care about "rules".

 

Most of these kids are on scholarship simply to "entertain" the masses that attend the sporting events.

 

To put it in perspective, the minor league guys in our system are probably getting about 40k a season to entertain the masses. These student athletes are getting at least 50k and in some cases over 100k in scholarship money and other various benefits that aren't for the normal student. The NBDL guys are getting what 40k for the good players?

 

It's not like these kids aren't getting lots of exposure on ESPN, CBS all the time and in college gameday's etc.

 

Nobody is forcing these kids to go to college, college isn't for everyone, but guys like Calipari disregard this fact. They bend and break the rules so that they can win more games, guys like Calipari are pro coaches that are given the leverage by college admins to have a pro atmosphere in the college ranks.

 

The kids that do choose to accept an athletic scholarship in college have the opportunity to major in something easier if they choose and focus most of their time on the athletic side of the scholarship. This is a gamble that they will play in a professional league, but otherwise they could at least have A college degree in something.

 

Other kids realize they are likely not going to be a professional athlete and can choose a more difficult major to help them set up for after their college days.

[rangercal]

Might be one of the dumbest posts in soxtalk history....

 

 

 

And that is saying a lot.

 

Considering you have 1.5k posts, you would be correct.

 

Easy for you to sit there in Orlando and not understand my post. CPS is a horrible education. Especially in the mixed race areas.

Edited May 29, 2009 by rangercal

[Texsox]

Considering you have 1.5k posts, you would be correct.

 

Easy for you to sit there in Orlando and not understand my post. CPS is a horrible education. Especially in the mixed race areas.

 

I'm interested in your last sentence. Would you please elaborate? Is it resources, geographic, teachers, students? What causes the mixed areas to be worse than the non-mixed areas?

[jenksycat]

So true.

 

As a society, and especially sports fans, now accept cheating as ok, or even necessary. Sad. Actually earning what you get is no longer necessary. Other kids in that class actually worked for their grades, but that is only necessary of you are not athletically gifted. f*** the regular students.

 

Sorry, but when cheating is condoned, we all lose. It erodes at the foundation of our education system and our society.

 

he didn't get a f***ing masters in mathematics from Memphis, he plays basketball. This isn't athletic cheating, this is cheating a stupid system the NBA created to punish 18 year old kids for some reason.

 

None of this should have happened because the NBA should never have "banned" 18 year olds in the first place. Kids like Rose would never have gone to 1 worthless year of college.

 

[Texsox]

he didn't get a f***ing masters in mathematics from Memphis, he plays basketball. This isn't athletic cheating, this is cheating a stupid system the NBA created to punish 18 year old kids for some reason.

 

None of this should have happened because the NBA should never have "banned" 18 year olds in the first place. Kids like Rose would never have gone to 1 worthless year of college.

 

At least we agree it is cheating.

 

You think it's ok. I think cheating is wrong. Best of luck in life.

[nitetrain8601]

A lot of this also comes down to Reggie Rose who clearly is the ring leader in this. Derrick is clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer and Reggie needed to live vicariously through Derrick to realize his own failed basketball dreams. So he probably told Derrick there is nothing wrong with cheating on the SAT, everyone does it to play college b-ball and told him more lies. He looks up to his brother in a big way and follows his orders acquiescently. I blame Derrick a lot and this shows what a moron he is, his lack of character and really makes me like him less, but Reggie Rose is the biggest culprit IMO.

 

100% agreed and I hope a lot more people realize this. I won't absolve Derrick in his part, but I think his brother completely brainwashed him. Reggie has been trying to live through his brother since Reggie didn't do anything past high school.

[Steve9347]

he didn't get a f***ing masters in mathematics from Memphis, he plays basketball. This isn't athletic cheating, this is cheating a stupid system the NBA created to punish 18 year old kids for some reason.

 

None of this should have happened because the NBA should never have "banned" 18 year olds in the first place. Kids like Rose would never have gone to 1 worthless year of college.

Or, they should have done it so it actually made a damn difference and made it so the kids had to go to two years of school. The current setup is as nonsensical as they get.

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

What's the background on Reggie Rose? What has he done to get the reputation he has?

[Texsox]

What should grades be based on if not performance in the classroom?

[nitetrain8601]

What's the background on Reggie Rose? What has he done to get the reputation he has?

 

Sucked at life. Started his own AAU team to put Derrick on, facilitated money from others through this AAU team and took them as "donations". Brokered a pre-arranged deal with Adidas for Rose to go to an Adidas school which is why the Illini seemed to be out of the picture suddenly, and the three contenders were Indiana, Memphis and DePaul. Reggie and Derrick agreed DePaul was not big time enough(hell, I agree on that), and with Gordon going to Indiana, that wouldn't allow Derrick to excel and be the man which is what Sonny Vaccaro wanted. Derrick reopened the Illini as an option because he seemed to actually like Weber and Reggie allowed him to talk to them to save face and try to make the allegation go away that Derrick was just looking at Adidas schools. Reggie locked the deal down with Coach Cal once the money was funneled.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if it was Reggie who had someone sit in for Derrick's SAT's and facilitated the alteration of grades. As far as everyone else knew in terms of coaches, Sampson, Weber, Wainwright, all thought he would qualify without a hitch. I stopped following the rest of the tracks a while back. Keep in mind, I also did mention he would pick Adidas as his athletic clothing company of choice much before he announced it after getting drafted.

 

Reggie is a douche really from all accounts, even to some of the people who helped him with Reggie. Derrick will only listen to Reggie.

[jenksycat]

At least we agree it is cheating.

 

You think it's ok. I think cheating is wrong. Best of luck in life.

 

Yes, you are the single greatest person on the face of the earth. I wish I knew what it was like to never do a thing wrong in my entire life. Congrats.

 

And its not wrong what the NBA or NFL does? They get free development programs and prevent kids who have no business in college from making money. But you keep thinking you're perfect, I'm sure that goes over well.

Edited May 29, 2009 by Jenksy Cat

[SoxAce]

People here will basically realize that Reggie has basically screwed his own brother, which is downright awful to fathom. Who knows also if we'd be having this conversation if Rose would have just went straight to the pros after high school (even at D average would have been drafted based on skill) I don't give a s*** what his commen sense IQ is, as long as his basketball IQ is top notch/bright (which is already the case, with improvment to learn) then he can be as dumb as rocks in interviews. (which Rose isn't dumb but is more lazy from what I heard.. kinda like in defense) Just so everyone gets the jist from what I heard.. LeBron James wasn't exactly a good grade student either in high school.

[Texsox]

Yes, you are the single greatest person on the face of the earth. I wish I knew what it was like to never do a thing wrong in my entire life. Congrats.

 

And its not wrong what the NBA or NFL does? They get free development programs and prevent kids who have no business in college from making money. But you keep thinking you're perfect, I'm sure that goes over well.

 

All this because I actually believe cheating is cheating?

 

Actually you would be the one that would never do anything wrong, since nothing seems to actually be wrong to you as long as it can be justified. The difference is if I cheated, I would own up to it, admit my error, and try to make amends. I wonder which of us is most likely to cheat, the person who finds excuses for the cheating, or the one who calls cheating, cheating? Actually, don't bother answering that.

 

I believe the NBA and NFL policies are unfair to the gifted young player. I prefer a free enterprise system.

 

Since you believe it is ok for the school to change his grades, what should his grades have been based on?

[Texsox]

BTW, is there no empathy for the player who didn't have his high school grades switched and did not make the Memphis squad? Remember, by him cheating and taking a spot he didn't earn or qualify for, someone else, another gifted player, was denied that spot.

 

I find it admirable that even cheating and fraud has such die hard fans. I hope when faced with a situation where someone cheats and robs you of an opportunity, you are equally magnanimous in your praise.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

This also shows how Illinois had no chance at Rose...ever. Weber was not going to give a kid's brother some money and deal with all his shenanigans.

 

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