Derrick Rose's High School Grades Were Altered

[RockRaines]

So true.

 

As a society, and especially sports fans, now accept cheating as ok, or even necessary. Sad. Actually earning what you get is no longer necessary. Other kids in that class actually worked for their grades, but that is only necessary of you are not athletically gifted. f*** the regular students.

 

Sorry, but when cheating is condoned, we all lose. It erodes at the foundation of our education system and our society.

The people who worked for their grades got an education because they needed it for their career. Classes to these guys is literally like taking a gym class for the rest of us. Do you really think the fake grades these guys got are going to prepare them for a career outside of basketball? These are also the same kids that are bringing in millions of dollars to your school so that you CAN get that great education. They are hired guns, nothing more.

 

If anyone on here went to a school with a good sports team, this is happening there right now.

[RockRaines]

Calipari hasn't been coaching amateurs since he left UMass.

Quality.

[Texsox]

There's probably some shenanigans involved at just about every school, Illinois included. What has been discovered about Rose at Memphis is most likely the tip of the iceberg. If the only things illegal were a grade change, someone taking his SAT and $2600 for his brother, Memphis actually must be fairly clean.

 

There seems to be a bell curve. Some of the very smallest programs are rarely caught, and seem clean. The very top programs, can also be fairly clean. For example, does Coach K really have to cheat at this point? It's the programs and coaches in the middle. The pressure to get to "the next level" is immense.

[Texsox]

The people who worked for their grades got an education because they needed it for their career. Classes to these guys is literally like taking a gym class for the rest of us. Do you really think the fake grades these guys got are going to prepare them for a career outside of basketball? These are also the same kids that are bringing in millions of dollars to your school so that you CAN get that great education. They are hired guns, nothing more.

 

If anyone on here went to a school with a good sports team, this is happening there right now.

 

Why even give these guys grades then?

 

 

[SoxFan562004]

There seems to be a bell curve. Some of the very smallest programs are rarely caught, and seem clean. The very top programs, can also be fairly clean. For example, does Coach K really have to cheat at this point? It's the programs and coaches in the middle. The pressure to get to "the next level" is immense.

love him or hate him, Bobby Knight probably ran the cleanest (probably not 100% clean) big time program in the last 50 years

[RockRaines]

There seems to be a bell curve. Some of the very smallest programs are rarely caught, and seem clean. The very top programs, can also be fairly clean. For example, does Coach K really have to cheat at this point? It's the programs and coaches in the middle. The pressure to get to "the next level" is immense.

Bulls***, you have named ONE program that you think is clean. The top 10 football programs in the country are ALL dirty, not to mention the next 50 or so and there on down. Just because you dont think its true, doesnt mean its the case. How do you feel about a coach's wife "teaching" every class to an entire football team? Because that happens at numerous top tier academic schools with terrible football teams.

 

Basketball is no different. 50 dollars here, 100 bucks there, given to players by people not connected in any way with a program and voila, you have your team that appears clean to everyone. I guarantee you could dive deeper into every player in the top 50 teams and most if not all have cheated in some way, and thats including Duke.

[southsider2k5]

So true.

 

As a society, and especially sports fans, now accept cheating as ok, or even necessary. Sad. Actually earning what you get is no longer necessary. Other kids in that class actually worked for their grades, but that is only necessary of you are not athletically gifted. f*** the regular students.

 

Sorry, but when cheating is condoned, we all lose. It erodes at the foundation of our education system and our society.

 

No wonder we have developed generations of people as a country now who feel they are entitled to do whatever they want to do, rules and laws be damned. Forget work, you owe to it me! If you won't give it to me, I will just take it from someone else.

[RockRaines]

Why even give these guys grades then?

You arent really, you are giving their tutor grades basically. If there was a way to just have them at the school without taking classes, Im sure they would be all for it. They arent there for the education like the rest of us.

[RockRaines]

No wonder we have developed generations of people as a country now who feel they are entitled to do whatever they want to do, rules and laws be damned. Forget work, you owe to it me! If you won't give it to me, I will just take it from someone else.

yes, laziness and crime are obviously new phenomenons that have just developed. And to be clear, you are blaming this on college athletes who have cheated?

[Texsox]

You arent really, you are giving their tutor grades basically. If there was a way to just have them at the school without taking classes, Im sure they would be all for it. They arent there for the education like the rest of us.

 

This is their English grade, but it really reflects their basketball ability?

 

Hell, I received a 4.0 in English classes, just give me an A in Kinesiology because it doesn't matter.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

yes, laziness and crime are obviously new phenomenons that have just developed. And to be clear, you are blaming this on college athletes who have cheated?

 

I think you cheated your way through reading comprehension if you got that out of it.

[RockRaines]

This is their English grade, but it really reflects their basketball ability?

 

Hell, I received a 4.0 in English classes, just give me an A in Kinesiology because it doesn't matter.

 

 

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say there. You want an A in a class because you got an A in another class? I dont see how thats the same at all. These guys got grades or help to get grades to keep them on the floor to continue to bring revenue and attention to their school. I dont see how you would do that for a school at all.

 

And to be clear, the schools should all be sanctioned to at least keep them from doing this in the immediate future, but this is not isolated, for every recruit that doesnt go to memphis, they will go to the next school that puts dollars in their pockets and keeps them eligible to play and develop their game for their career.

[southsider2k5]

You arent really, you are giving their tutor grades basically. If there was a way to just have them at the school without taking classes, Im sure they would be all for it. They arent there for the education like the rest of us.

 

Actually many people would still do the work, because they do actually want to learn something. These are the same people who read in their own free time, and go back to study for higher degrees because they want to. We do exist out there.

[Texsox]

As I mentioned it is like a bell curve, with the least cheating at the very top. They have programs that already attract the very best of talent, and can almost pick and choose. Their need to cheat while maintaining a top program is less. The next level are recruiting from the pool that have issues. That is where the incentive to be dishonest and cheat is the greatest, and the watchful eye of the NCAA and others, is slightly less. I do not believe I said there was no cheating, but perhaps some people here had talents that negated them having to take a reading class.

 

If you believe that cheating is ok, well that says a lot about your character.

[southsider2k5]

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say there. You want an A in a class because you got an A in another class? I dont see how thats the same at all. These guys got grades or help to get grades to keep them on the floor to continue to bring revenue and attention to their school. I dont see how you would do that for a school at all.

 

And to be clear, the schools should all be sanctioned to at least keep them from doing this in the immediate future, but this is not isolated, for every recruit that doesnt go to memphis, they will go to the next school that puts dollars in their pockets and keeps them eligible to play and develop their game for their career.

 

Its a great point. Basically you are saying because Rose gets a A in basketball, he should be able to get an A in anything else he needs to get to the NBA, no matter what the NBA or NCAA requires.

[RockRaines]

I think you cheated your way through reading comprehension if you got that out of it.

Ah, so now I have a problem and we have to accuse me of something. Pretty lazy post out of you, maybe this generation's work ethic is getting to you.

 

I scored every bit of my SAT and ACT scores without any help and studied and grinded my way through college like the rest of us. Were there classes I thought were a joke and superfluous to the attainment of my degree? Of course. So I know how these kids with basically zero future outside of basketball felt about their classes. Fact is, they couldnt have done it without someone in charge having a hand in the process, and those people should face some sanction. Either way, I dont feel the athletes that were "in" my classes cheated me out of anything, I know what they brought to the school and I know the school used them as much if not more than they used it. Thats big time Universities for you.

[RockRaines]

Actually many people would still do the work, because they do actually want to learn something. These are the same people who read in their own free time, and go back to study for higher degrees because they want to. We do exist out there.

Yes, but you arent a professional athlete nor were you a star 1 and done player in college. I know WE exist out there.

[Texsox]

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say there. You want an A in a class because you got an A in another class? I dont see how thats the same at all. These guys got grades or help to get grades to keep them on the floor to continue to bring revenue and attention to their school. I dont see how you would do that for a school at all.

 

And to be clear, the schools should all be sanctioned to at least keep them from doing this in the immediate future, but this is not isolated, for every recruit that doesnt go to memphis, they will go to the next school that puts dollars in their pockets and keeps them eligible to play and develop their game for their career.

 

Once you stop basing grades on the work that is done, what are you basing grades on?

 

If a student passes, they continue to pay tuition. They continue to occupy a dorm. They continue to buy tickets to the football game.

 

You want to give them higher grades than what they earned in English because they can play basketball. Your justification was their English grade doesn't matter for what they are doing. Well my Biology grade doesn't matter to what I'm doing, so give me a better grade in Biology. After all, it doesn't matter.

[RockRaines]

but perhaps some people here had talents that negated them having to take a reading class.

 

If you believe that cheating is ok, well that says a lot about your character.

Nice to see the two "moral" folks on here casting stones have resorted to making personal attacks. Have at it fellas. I revel in your ability to be completely just in everything you do in your life.

[Texsox]

Nice to see the two "moral" folks on here casting stones have resorted to making personal attacks. Have at it fellas. I revel in your ability to be completely just in everything you do in your life.

 

Interesting, that wasn't directed at you.

[The Critic]

I can't help but wonder what this thread would look like if Derrick Rose was a Piston, Cavalier or Laker.

[Dick Allen]

Why even give these guys grades then?

 

 

Calling all of these players student-athletes is a sham. I think in a way it degrades everyone's degree from that institution. They should pay these guys and the guys that really aren't there to go to class and get an education, put them in a separate group. Give each school a few spots a year for hired guns. Guys that are there to just play sports. Derrick Rose went to Memphis one semester. he dropped out after the tournament in 2008. They go through all this trouble just for that. Same with OJ Mayo.

[lostfan]

I can't help but wonder what this thread would look like if Derrick Rose was a Piston, Cavalier or Laker.

I just don't have the time or energy to summon this well of phony self-righteous indignation when I hear of athletes doing unethical things. It's too common for me to give a s***. Call me when one of them commits a crime or hurts somebody else or does something otherwise has an obvious negative effect, then I'll care. Hell, I posted an article this morning about an NBA player saving this woman from drowning and nobody responded (yet), but people are on here blasting Rose because someone changed a D to a C... what's that say?

[Texsox]

About 10% are in the NFL or transfer, but there's still a 50+% that don't graduate at these places and are never heard from again.

 

Great point. Rock does make an excellent point about the financial benefit that the school receive off the backs of these players. You would think then, that at the minimum, society would be protesting that the players are being cheated out of a college education. After all, for the vast majority, that is what they were suppose to receive in exchange for their work. When grades are switched, and other accommodations are made, at the end of their collegiate careers, they are left with almost nothing but memories.

[Texsox]

Calling all of these players student-athletes is a sham. I think in a way it degrades everyone's degree from that institution. They should pay these guys and the guys that really aren't there to go to class and get an education, put them in a separate group. Give each school a few spots a year for hired guns. Guys that are there to just play sports. Derrick Rose went to Memphis one semester. he dropped out after the tournament in 2008. They go through all this trouble just for that. Same with OJ Mayo.

 

Then have universities buy pro teams for the revenue. Drop the entire sham.