Derrick Rose's High School Grades Were Altered

[Texsox]

Realistically, if you're as good as Derrick Rose is at basketball (or close to it), some program somewhere will find a way to have you playing. Is it right? No. But that's just how it is. The one who gets screwed out of a spot is the would-be last guy on the roste. But that would mean you're not really that good at basketball to begin with, so... tough s*** I guess. Life sucks, and it would be like that if said player made the pros, too.

 

What would you base the grades on then?

[lostfan]

What would you base the grades on then?

?

 

I haven't addressed that anywhere and I already said 3 or 4 times that what Rose did was wrong.

[Texsox]

If you can't get good enough grades or SATs on our own to get into Memphis, you are dumb.

 

IIRC, there are different requirements to get into a school versus being eligible to play NCAA athletics. The NCAA requirements, I would bet, are higher than Memphis' admittance requirements.

[SoxAce]

The NBA does not allow graduating high school students to play in the NBA for one year.

 

Well Derrick did have a "passing" grade regardless. So your point is moot.

[GoodAsGould]

If you can't get good enough grades or SATs on our own to get into Memphis, you are dumb.

 

Or just a poor tester? With his highschool gpa he needed a score of 900 plus to be elgible for division 1 schools, some of the smartest people i know are horrible test takers for one reason or another.

[Texsox]

?

 

I haven't addressed that anywhere and I already said 3 or 4 times that what Rose did was wrong.

 

Actually, to be accurate, what was done for him, was wrong. And it was wrong to him. While he may be a millionaire a couple times over, he was still an 18 year old kid at the time. Making him retake that course would have taught him a nice lesson.

 

And sorry, I keep asking what to base grades on and so far no one has bothered to answer. As soon as that question is answered, it becomes apparent how wrong that is to the system.

 

His grades were changed and the 15th player at Memphis, who was probably in the top 300* graduating seniors, gets bumped. You may call him a s***ty player, and that somehow justifies him getting screwed, but that seems like he's a pretty decent player to me.

 

*15 scholarships on a college team. Four to freshman, Memphis seems like a top 75 program.

[Texsox]

Well Derrick did have a "passing" grade regardless. So your point is moot.

 

Really? The earlier poster said no one was stopping him from earning a living and forcing him to go to college. My moot point is, actually the NBA does force kids into at least one year of college. And a new point is, this highlights the cost of that policy.

[jenksycat]

All this because I actually believe cheating is cheating?

 

Actually you would be the one that would never do anything wrong, since nothing seems to actually be wrong to you as long as it can be justified. The difference is if I cheated, I would own up to it, admit my error, and try to make amends. I wonder which of us is most likely to cheat, the person who finds excuses for the cheating, or the one who calls cheating, cheating? Actually, don't bother answering that.

 

I believe the NBA and NFL policies are unfair to the gifted young player. I prefer a free enterprise system.

 

Since you believe it is ok for the school to change his grades, what should his grades have been based on?

 

I have this horrible thing called common sense, and I understand what/why it happened in the first place. Was it wrong? Yes of course, but I'm not gonna act like some holier-than-thou idiot like you and get all pissy over some dumb kid who's good at basketball being screwed out of playing when he was 18. He didn't get a f***ing degree in mechanical engineering, he played the system the way the NCAA/NBA has made it: they are not student athletes, they are free performers that bring in millions of dollars in profits and don't see a dime of it.

 

Who gives a s***, getting angry over this "outrage" of cheating is the dumbest f***ing thing I've heard all day.

Edited May 29, 2009 by Jenksy Cat

[rangercal]

I'm interested in your last sentence. Would you please elaborate? Is it resources, geographic, teachers, students? What causes the mixed areas to be worse than the non-mixed areas?

 

 

I attended a Private school in Chicago from 1st-6th grade.

 

I attended a cps school for the first part of 7th grade in the Logan Square/Humboldt park area of Chicago (Majority of the student body was Hispanic.) They were doing basic fractions, something that I learned in 2nd or 3rd grade.

 

Speaking to buddies from college who went to cps in Lincoln Park claim that they learned at a pretty fast pace. They all laughed their asses off when ever I brought up the fraction story.

 

So take it for what it's worth. The research is out there for those who want to seek it.

 

 

My Fiance also taught 2 years 6th grade at a Hispanic cps school. She still can't believe how far behind her school was when she got the position.

[lostfan]

I have this horrible thing called common sense, and I understand what/why it happened in the first place. Was it wrong? Yes of course, but I'm not gonna act like some holier-than-thou idiot like you and get all pissy over some dumb kid who's good at basketball being screwed out of playing when he was 18. He didn't get a f***ing degree in mechanical engineering, he played the system the way the NCAA/NBA has made it: they are not student athletes, they are free performers that bring in millions of dollars in profits and don't see a dime of it.

 

Who gives a s***, getting angry over this "outrage" of cheating is the dumbest f***ing thing I've heard all day.

That's really unnecessary - chill.

[lostfan]

Actually, to be accurate, what was done for him, was wrong. And it was wrong to him. While he may be a millionaire a couple times over, he was still an 18 year old kid at the time. Making him retake that course would have taught him a nice lesson.

 

And sorry, I keep asking what to base grades on and so far no one has bothered to answer. As soon as that question is answered, it becomes apparent how wrong that is to the system.

 

His grades were changed and the 15th player at Memphis, who was probably in the top 300* graduating seniors, gets bumped. You may call him a s***ty player, and that somehow justifies him getting screwed, but that seems like he's a pretty decent player to me.

 

*15 scholarships on a college team. Four to freshman, Memphis seems like a top 75 program.

Meh pretty much everyone agrees on the bolded part. It would really be redundant to attempt to answer the question which is why nobody has.

[lostfan]

Or just a poor tester? With his highschool gpa he needed a score of 900 plus to be elgible for division 1 schools, some of the smartest people i know are horrible test takers for one reason or another.

For some reason I was thinking about this on my drive home from work for completely unrelated reasons, but I think that while some people are legitimately poor testers, more often than not people who claim this are just making excuses because they are stupid.

[Texsox]

I have this horrible thing called common sense, and I understand what/why it happened in the first place. Was it wrong? Yes of course, but I'm not gonna act like some holier-than-thou idiot like you and get all pissy over some dumb kid who's good at basketball being screwed out of playing when he was 18. He didn't get a f***ing degree in mechanical engineering, he played the system the way the NCAA/NBA has made it: they are not student athletes, they are free performers that bring in millions of dollars in profits and don't see a dime of it.

 

Who gives a s***, getting angry over this "outrage" of cheating is the dumbest f***ing thing I've heard all day.

 

Well spoken.

 

I guess my uncommon sense tells me that grades ought to be based on the work done in the classroom. He didn't play the system, he cheated the system. Uncommon sense tells me there is a difference. If you read my posts, I was not pissy that he was screwed out of playing, I am pissy that he CHEATED, someone changed his grades to screw another player out of a spot on the team.

 

Bottom line, your common sense values cheating over honesty. You find it difficult that someone would defend honesty over cheating. That speaks volumes about your character.

 

And if you look at the tone of my posts and yours, all the caps and swearing makes me wonder who is really angry here. Unless swearing is your normal way of communicating.

[Texsox]

I attended a Private school in Chicago from 1st-6th grade.

 

I attended a cps school for the first part of 7th grade in the Logan Square/Humboldt park area of Chicago (Majority of the student body was Hispanic.) They were doing basic fractions, something that I learned in 2nd or 3rd grade.

 

Speaking to buddies from college who went to cps in Lincoln Park claim that they learned at a pretty fast pace. They all laughed their asses off when ever I brought up the fraction story.

 

So take it for what it's worth. The research is out there for those who want to seek it.

 

 

My Fiance also taught 2 years 6th grade at a Hispanic cps school. She still can't believe how far behind her school was when she got the position.

 

I was more interested that mixed schools were farther behind than the others, I was wondering what would cause that? It would seem like they would all be struggling.

[lostfan]

Tex, you've seen enough of my Facebook statuses, you know that swearing is my normal way of communication

[rangercal]

I was more interested that mixed schools were farther behind than the others, I was wondering what would cause that? It would seem like they would all be struggling.

 

My best guess is different budgets for different districts. Probably not necessarily due to race, but being under counted in the US Census could have something to do with it. If not everyone is accounted for in the Census, that means less funding for your area. That would have to mean that mixed areas avoid census takers. Again, that is my best guess.

[southsider2k5]

Or just a poor tester? With his highschool gpa he needed a score of 900 plus to be elgible for division 1 schools, some of the smartest people i know are horrible test takers for one reason or another.

 

If Derrick Rose can't get a 900 on the SAT, he should be drooling on himself. Seriously.

[santo=dorf]

Copy of Derrick Rose's report card.

[daa84]

Copy of Derrick Rose's report card.

no matter what your feelings on this situation.....i think we can all agree that this is a wonderful, wonderful post

[Texsox]

My best guess is different budgets for different districts. Probably not necessarily due to race, but being under counted in the US Census could have something to do with it. If not everyone is accounted for in the Census, that means less funding for your area. That would have to mean that mixed areas avoid census takers. Again, that is my best guess.

 

I believe you are on the right track. However, I believe funding is based on property taxes which are based on property values. Large families, living in cheap homes, are about the worse combination for a school.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

If it's worth anything. Weber refuses to partake in any of that. Reggie originally wanted money just to allow Derrick to visit and open up recruiting to each school. Weber stated absolutely not and became hot after that. Like really really really pissed off.

 

Oh, please. That's all hearsay. And highly likely BULLs*** at that. I'm convinced that just about every program cheats.

 

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

 

And then there's this:

 

 

U. of I. admissions: How politicians pressured university to admit students

How politicians pressure U. of I. to admit students

By Stacy St. Clair, Jodi S. Cohen and Robert Becker | Tribune reporters

May 31, 2009

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...0,7230960.story

 

 

Do you honestly believe that the same NEVER happens for athletes at illinois??? C'mon now...

 

[lostfan]

Sort of on that subject, I had a friend who went to U of I I think for a year and a half and she got arrested for shoplifting. Someone from the school came and got her and there ended up being no record of it anywhere.

[nitetrain8601]

Oh, please. That's all hearsay. And highly likely BULLs*** at that. I'm convinced that just about every program cheats.

 

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

 

And then there's this:

 

 

 

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...0,7230960.story

 

 

Do you honestly believe that the same NEVER happens for athletes at illinois??? C'mon now...

 

Right. Because there can't be a clean program out there. I don't believe in any of that. Weber actually ran a clean program. I didn't like the guy, love Bill Self, wanted Thad Matta, and I'm a UNC fan. With that said, I know Weber ran a clean program and many said that would be the death of him because he refuses to baby players and suck them off just to come to the university. As far as his current players, that's a different story.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Really? The earlier poster said no one was stopping him from earning a living and forcing him to go to college. My moot point is, actually the NBA does force kids into at least one year of college. And a new point is, this highlights the cost of that policy.

 

NO THEY DONT!!!

 

I hate that people can't get over that "fact".

 

THE NBA DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE GO TO COLLEGE!

(see Jennings, Brandon)

 

All the NBA does is require potential players (employees) to be either one year removed from HS or 19 years old. Just like any other job they have employment policies. OMG!

 

Upon graduation of HS, players hoping one day to play in the NBA can either

 

1) Sit on their ass

2) Join AND1

3) Play in Europe

4) Play in Asia

5) Play in Australia

6) Play in South America

7) Play in the NBDL (i think)

8) Play in the USBL, CBA, ABA or any other professional league in the US or Canada

9) Go to college

10) Go to junior college

11) Go to a trade school

12) Join the military

13) Flip burgers at McDonald's

 

ETC ETC ETC

 

No one is making them go to college. The NBA isn't making them go to college. At the end of the day, they are still making that decision on their own, which is why Brandon Jennings, a projected top 10 pick this year DID NOT GO TO COLLEGE LAST YEAR.

[Soxbadger]

You are right no one is making them go to college, which is why the NCAA and Memphis are willing to break the rules to ensure players of Rose's caliber does go to NCAA and not overseas or JUCO.

 

You really think that Derrick Rose on his own could cheat the SAT admissions without inside help?

 

It would be hard for a no name High School student to pull that fraud off, but for a big time High School prospect who is well recognized, it requires inside help.

 

Everyone made money off of Rose, which is why no one is really mad at him.

Edited June 1, 2009 by Soxbadger