Milkman delivers Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Take Wakefield off of that list immediately. There is absolutely no reason to consider him as a Cy Young contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 01:19 PM) Take Wakefield off of that list immediately. There is absolutely no reason to consider him as a Cy Young contender. I just use the guys off the CYP. It's not personal preference. Thursday... Halladay: L #3, 7 innings, 9 hits, 3 runs (earned), 0 walks, 8 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA up to 2.85 Hernandez: W #9, 8 innings, 3 hits, 1 run (earned), 2 walks, 7 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 Friday... Jackson: W #7, 4 hits, 1 run (earned), 2 walks, 4 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA down to 2.51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 19, 2009 Author Share Posted July 19, 2009 Saturday... Millwood: L #7, 6 innings, 6 hits, 4 runs (earned), 2 walks, 5 strikeouts, 2 home runs. ERA up to 3.46 Weaver: W #10, 6 innings, 4 hits, 4 runs (3 earned), 2 walks, 9 strikeouts, 2 home runs. ERA up to 3.22 Sunday... Beckett: W #11, 9 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 7 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.35 Buehrle: L #3, 3.1 innings, 10 hits, 8 runs (earned), 1 walk, 1 strikeout, 3 home runs. ERA up to 3.66 Verlander: W #10, 7 innings, 5 hits, 0 runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.38 Friday... Hernandez: W #10, 8 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs (earned), 1 walk, 8 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.51 Saturday... Buehrle: W #10, 7.1 innings, 8 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 4 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.52 Greinke: ND, 7 innings, 9 hits, 1 run (earned), 3 walks, 7 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.08 Verlander: L #5, 7 innings, 7 hits, 2 runs (earned), 1 walk, 6 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA down to 3.34 Weaver: ND, 3.2 innings, 8 hits, 5 runs (earned), 3 walks, 3 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA up to 3.48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Where is Cy Guthrie on that list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 MB's still got an outside chance I guess. He'll need something to happen to Grienke, and for Roy to get traded to the NL though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 12:26 AM) MB's still got an outside chance I guess. He'll need something to happen to Grienke, and for Roy to get traded to the NL though. And for Beckett's arm to fall off, and King Felix taking his annual second half slide... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 Sunday... Halladay: W #11, 9 innings, 6 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 7 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.73 Jackson: L #5, 7 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs (earned), 5 walks, 4 strikeouts, 2 home runs. ERA still 2.52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 You forgot to update Buehrle's line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 It just took a while to refresh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 Monday... Millwood: W #9, 6 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs (earned), 1 walk, 3 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.44 Tuesday... Beckett: L #4, 8 innings, 7 hits, 4 runs (earned), 1 walk, 7 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA up to 3.42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 Wednesday... Hernandez: W #11, 7 innings, 6 hits, 1 run (earned), 1 walk, 8 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.45 Thursday... Buehrle: W #11, 9 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 6 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.28 Weaver: 7 innings, 6 hits, 4 runs (earned), 2 walks, 5 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 3.57 Friday... Greinke: L #6, 7 innings, 3 hits, 1 run (earned), 3 walks, 10 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA down to 2.04 Halladay: ND, 9 innings, 4 hits, 2 runs (1 earned), 3 walks, 10 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.62 Verlander: W #11, 9 innings, 6 hits, 1 run (0 earned), 4 walks, 4 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Do perfect games affect CYP other than the fact that he got 9 innings of flawless ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 02:12 PM) Do perfect games affect CYP other than the fact that he got 9 innings of flawless ball? There's no bonus for a perfect game, but the overall performance with a win, complete game, shutout, and lower ERA sure helps. CYP: In The Neyer/James Guide To Pitchers -- co-authored by Bill James and ESPN.com's Rob Neyer presents a method, based on past results, to predict Cy Young balloting. This page provides an in-season snapshot of the Cy Young "race," as figured by the following formula: Cy Young Points (CYP) = ((5*IP/9)-ER) + (SO/12) + (SV*2.5) + Shutouts + ((W*6)-(L*2)) + VB (see below). VB: Victory Bonus is a 12-point bonus awarded for leading your team to the division champsionship (pro-rated based on the current standings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Saturday... Jackson: ND, 7 innings, 8 hits, 3 runs (earned), 4 walks, 3 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 2.59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (High Mileage @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:04 AM) Saturday... Jackson: ND, 7 innings, 8 hits, 3 runs (earned), 4 walks, 3 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 2.59 Lack of strikeouts really hurt Buehrle's CyP. He's got a better ERA+ than both Beckett and Weaver and he still doesn't have a CyP rating. Edited July 27, 2009 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Monday... Beckett: W #12, 7 innings, 8 hits, 3 runs (earned), 1 walk, 10 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA up to 3.44 Hernandez: L #4, 5.2 innings, 11 hits, 7 runs (earned), 1 walk, 2 strikeouts, 2 home runs. ERA up to 2.79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 11:23 AM) Lack of strikeouts really hurt Buehrle's CyP. He's got a better ERA+ than both Beckett and Weaver and he still doesn't have a CyP rating. If Buehrle wanted a perfect game to go along with a Cy Young, he either better pitch like a man possessed and lead the Sox to a division title, or he picked the wrong year. Both Greinke and Felix have pitched far superior, and Beckett is damn near destined to pitch for a team that makes the playoffs (which I would imagine adds 12 to his CyP rating, as he helped lead his team to a playoff appearance, even if it's not technially a division title). If he puts up a 2005-esque 3.12 ERA - and he's close with a lot of time left, which is good and bad - and wins 8 or so games in the next 2 months, and leads the team to a division win, he's got a chance. He's only lost 3 times which helps him a hell of a lot. If he ends the year at roughly 19-5, 3.15 ERA with the Sox winning the division, I'd say he has a hell of a good chance, even if Greinke and Felix's ERA's end up south around or (well) below 2.75. Remember that in 07 Sabathia won it over Beckett even though Beckett won one more game and pitched for the media favorite Red Sox, mainly because he pitched more innings (Sabathia's K/9 that year was 7.8, much higher than Buehrle, but it's worth considering all the same). Same story actually happened in 2005 when several pitchers, including Buehrle, Garland, Santana, and Lee all pitched better or arguably better (better in Buehrle and Santana's case, arguably in Garland and Lee's case) than Bartolo Colon, but he won 21 games). I'm not going to do the math right now, but I would bet that the first 3 finished real close (guessing Santana-Buehrle-Garland in that order, which is also funny, since Cliff Lee finished higher than both Buehrle and Garland, even though the Sox won the division). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 06:12 AM) If Buehrle wanted a perfect game to go along with a Cy Young, he either better pitch like a man possessed and lead the Sox to a division title, or he picked the wrong year. Both Greinke and Felix have pitched far superior, and Beckett is damn near destined to pitch for a team that makes the playoffs (which I would imagine adds 12 to his CyP rating, as he helped lead his team to a playoff appearance, even if it's not technially a division title). If he puts up a 2005-esque 3.12 ERA - and he's close with a lot of time left, which is good and bad - and wins 8 or so games in the next 2 months, and leads the team to a division win, he's got a chance. He's only lost 3 times which helps him a hell of a lot. If he ends the year at roughly 19-5, 3.15 ERA with the Sox winning the division, I'd say he has a hell of a good chance, even if Greinke and Felix's ERA's end up south around or (well) below 2.75. Remember that in 07 Sabathia won it over Beckett even though Beckett won one more game and pitched for the media favorite Red Sox, mainly because he pitched more innings (Sabathia's K/9 that year was 7.8, much higher than Buehrle, but it's worth considering all the same). Same story actually happened in 2005 when several pitchers, including Buehrle, Garland, Santana, and Lee all pitched better or arguably better (better in Buehrle and Santana's case, arguably in Garland and Lee's case) than Bartolo Colon, but he won 21 games). I'm not going to do the math right now, but I would bet that the first 3 finished real close (guessing Santana-Buehrle-Garland in that order, which is also funny, since Cliff Lee finished higher than both Buehrle and Garland, even though the Sox won the division). It was colon, rivera, santana, lee, buehrle, garland, and millwood in that order. Colon had 118 points, rivera 68, santana 51, lee 8, buehrle 5, garland 1, and millwood with one. Edited July 28, 2009 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 06:22 AM) It was colon, rivera, santana, lee, buehrle, garland, and millwood in that order. Colon had 118 points, rivera 68, santana 51, lee 8, buehrle 5, garland 1, and millwood with one. Yes, that is votes. I also have reference to Baseball Reference. That is not the CyP rating. Edited July 28, 2009 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Tuesday... Buehrle: L #4, 6.1 innings, 5 hits, 5 runs (earned), 1 walk, 3 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA up to 3.45 Weaver: ND, 5 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs (earned), 3 walks, 3 strikeouts, 2 home runs. ERA up to 3.71 Bullpen costs Greinke another win... Wednesday... Greinke: ND, 6 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs (earned), 1 walk, 7 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 2.08 Halladay: L #4, 7 innings, 11 hits, 3 runs (earned), 0 walks, 6 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 2.68 Verlander: W #12, 7 innings, 6 hits, 4 runs (3 earned), 0 walks, 13 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 3.16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chw42 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 06:22 AM) It was colon, rivera, santana, lee, buehrle, garland, and millwood in that order. Colon had 118 points, rivera 68, santana 51, lee 8, buehrle 5, garland 1, and millwood with one. Colon wasn't that good that year. He only won because he was 21-6. Buehrle was better than his fat ass in a lot of respects. Santana should have won it that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Friday... Jackson: ND, 4 innings, 8 hits, 3 runs (2 earned), 1 walk, 5 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 2.64 Saturday... Beckett: W #13, 7 innings, 6 hits, 0 runs, 2 walks, 5 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.27 Burnett: L #5, 4.2 innings, 10 hits, 7 runs (earned), 2 walks, 4 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA up to 3.89 Hernandez: W #12, 7 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs (earned), 2 walks, 4 strikeouts, 2 home runs. ERA up to 2.78 Sunday... Buehrle: L #5, 4.1 innings, 12 hits, 7 runs (earned), 1 walks, 0 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 3.79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 Monday... Greinke: L #7, 5 innings, 10 hits, 6 runs (earned), 3 walks, 9 strikeouts, 1 home runs. ERA up to 2.36 Verlander: ND, 8 innings, 9 hits, 5 runs (earned), 1 walk, 8 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 3.29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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