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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 08:54 PM)
Carrasco, even pitching as well as he has, would not even get you a #8/9/10 prospect in another organization.

 

Unless it was the 2007 White Sox minor league system...then you could trade him for Owens/Brian Russell/Andy Gonzalez.

 

Understand, but unless you think Carrasco is going to be a contributer to the next contending White Sox team, deal him for whatever you can. Borchard brought back Thornton and teams will overpay for pitching at the deadline.

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QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 09:01 PM)
Wise is now batting .167 on the season....I think his chances of reaching the Mendoza line are slim

if you dont like it ...just dont watch his at bats....at least thats what ozzie says you should do

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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 09:01 PM)
Understand, but unless you think Carrasco is going to be a contributer to the next contending White Sox team, deal him for whatever you can. Borchard brought back Thornton and teams will overpay for pitching at the deadline.

right, maybe another team will think he'd make a good starter. plenty of teams looking for one of those.

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QUOTE (daa84 @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 07:58 PM)
im not sure why im this mad....objectively looking at our lineup...only two guys (Thome and Konerko) are above average major league hitters....frankly i was a huge chris getz fan at the start of the season...but if he's not getting on base at a .360 or so clip he's worthless

 

 

Getz has a 607 OPS right now.

 

That's not going to get it done. He needs to be at 650 at least, because he's not nearly the player defensively that Nix is.

 

At least Ramirez, we know what he's capable of doing. There just seemed to be too many assuming that it would be easy for Chris Getz to go out and hit 280-290 with a 340-360 OBP.

 

I would take 340, but you're right, with the lack of pop, 360 is more like it. And he doesn't have the stolen base ability of a Chone Figgins type either.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 03:04 AM)
Getz has a 607 OPS right now.

 

That's not going to get it done. He needs to be at 650 at least, because he's not nearly the player defensively that Nix is.

 

At least Ramirez, we know what he's capable of doing. There just seemed to be too many assuming that it would be easy for Chris Getz to go out and hit 280-290 with a 340-360 OBP.

 

I would take 340, but you're right, with the lack of pop, 360 is more like it. And he doesn't have the stolen base ability of a Chone Figgins type either.

 

Getz is a perfect example of be careful what you wish for. People wanted a grinder with decent speed, so we end up getting a below average offensive producer. It's why Alexei should have stayed at 2nd, and you groom Beckham to play SS. If Fields and/or Viciedo can't play 3b, then you fire your scouting.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 08:05 PM)
Hitting balls hard, but right at people (which couldn't be more false)

 

 

Are you Nick Swisher's agent?

 

That got a little old with Harrelson moaning about Quentin hitting in such bad luck...when his approach was pretty much like Thome's, just to hit anything out of the park. Actually, Thome's done a much better job of going to the opposite field than Carlos has demonstrated this year.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 09:06 PM)
Getz is a perfect example of be careful what you wish for. People wanted a grinder with decent speed, so we end up getting a below average offensive producer. It's why Alexei should have stayed at 2nd, and you groom Beckham to play SS. If Fields and/or Viciedo can't play 3b, then you fire your scouting.

 

Yeah, I don't know why we are so afraid of moving Beckham to 2B. Getz really isn't doing anything productive. AT LEAST in Fields you have the potential for 30 HRs.

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you know what? honestly, again, this falls on walker.

 

after those first two at bats, what should the FIRST thing that he told Beckham when he came back to the dugout? "don't do that again"

 

WTF?

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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 08:06 PM)
Getz is a perfect example of be careful what you wish for. People wanted a grinder with decent speed, so we end up getting a below average offensive producer. It's why Alexei should have stayed at 2nd, and you groom Beckham to play SS. If Fields and/or Viciedo can't play 3b, then you fire your scouting.

 

 

Still of the thought that the best possible defensive arrangement is Beckham at 2B and Ramirez at SS...because Alexei has a bit better range and the stronger arm and he looks very comfortable there.

 

You're right, Fields AND Viciedo both failing would be crippling, worse than Borchard not panning out.

 

And, no Hawk, CJ Retherford isn't the answer as a full-time player either.

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