Fields v. Getz

[WCSox]

You can have your Eckstein...I'll go for an actual talented hitter.

 

Eckstein was instrumental in two different teams winning championships. He's no Chase Utley, but you're dead wrong that he wasn't a talented hitter.

 

I find it mind-boggling that people are running Getz out of town based on 49 major league games. Get a freaking grip, people.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

I like Getz, but his head is just not anywhere near where it should be right now. his issues aren't mechanical like Fields', they are mental, IMO.

 

I rarely do this, but, here is my "if I was KW/Ozzie" laundry list of things to happen in the next week...

 

--Getz back to AAA to get his head back on straight

--Beckham (who should not have been called up yet, but he's here, so he needs to play) moves to 2B

--Fields starts at third, we'll see if he can keep up the improvements

--TCQ back from DL

--Wise DFA/release

--Gobble DFA/release or possibly AAA

--Contreras returns from AAA (gonna happen anyway)

--If Contreras looks good, then release Colon (who has nothing left), and bring up C. Torres for the pen (and to back up Contreras' slot)

--Pods starting in CF (can't believe I am saying that, but, he has been a pleasant surprise), Anderson 4th OF and defensive replacement

--Kroeger up from AAA (that makes the bench Anderson (all OF), Nix (3B-SS-2B), Kroeger (corner OF, 1B) and Castro ©, which I think covers everything)

--Greg Walker fired (won't happen, and no I am NOT saying he's entirely to blame, but I think its necessary at this point)

--Promote Allen, Cook, Danks2, Omogrosso, possibly Retherford to AAA, to be ready to step in if necessary

 

Do these things now, play out June, and see where the team is at. If we can compete, great. If not, you are staged for the youth movement.

 

Fire away.

 

[scenario]

Fire away.

 

I knew you were going to get a sneak a plug for Kroeger in there somewhere.

 

 

[NorthSideSox72]

I knew you were going to get a sneak a plug for Kroeger in there somewhere.

LOL, of course!

 

But really that is a small move, the rest are more important. Its not April anymore, its early going on mid June, and its time to make a play.

[Reddy]

so what happens if all 3 of them suck?

[justBLAZE]

I like Getz, but his head is just not anywhere near where it should be right now. his issues aren't mechanical like Fields', they are mental, IMO.

 

I rarely do this, but, here is my "if I was KW/Ozzie" laundry list of things to happen in the next week...

 

--Getz back to AAA to get his head back on straight

--Beckham (who should not have been called up yet, but he's here, so he needs to play) moves to 2B

--Fields starts at third, we'll see if he can keep up the improvements

--TCQ back from DL

--Wise DFA/release

--Gobble DFA/release or possibly AAA

--Contreras returns from AAA (gonna happen anyway)

--If Contreras looks good, then release Colon (who has nothing left), and bring up C. Torres for the pen (and to back up Contreras' slot)

--Pods starting in CF (can't believe I am saying that, but, he has been a pleasant surprise), Anderson 4th OF and defensive replacement

--Kroeger up from AAA (that makes the bench Anderson (all OF), Nix (3B-SS-2B), Kroeger (corner OF, 1B) and Castro ©, which I think covers everything)

--Greg Walker fired (won't happen, and no I am NOT saying he's entirely to blame, but I think its necessary at this point)

--Promote Allen, Cook, Danks2, Omogrosso, possibly Retherford to AAA, to be ready to step in if necessary

 

Do these things now, play out June, and see where the team is at. If we can compete, great. If not, you are staged for the youth movement.

 

Fire away.

 

Agree with most of this, maybe besides releasing Colon, not sure if the organization will do that.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Agree with most of this, maybe besides releasing Colon, not sure if the organization will do that.

I'm fairly certain the organization won't do MOST of what I am suggesting. Just saying what I would do. What they actually will do will undoubtedly be very different.

 

[justBLAZE]

I'm fairly certain the organization won't do MOST of what I am suggesting. Just saying what I would do. What they actually will do will undoubtedly be very different.

 

Some of those moves have to get done, I don't see how Wise isn't released when Quentin comes back.

[beck72]

I like Getz, but his head is just not anywhere near where it should be right now. his issues aren't mechanical like Fields', they are mental, IMO.

I rarely do this, but, here is my "if I was KW/Ozzie" laundry list of things to happen in the next week...

 

--Getz back to AAA to get his head back on straight

--Beckham (who should not have been called up yet, but he's here, so he needs to play) moves to 2B

--Fields starts at third, we'll see if he can keep up the improvements

--TCQ back from DL

--Wise DFA/release

--Gobble DFA/release or possibly AAA

--Contreras returns from AAA (gonna happen anyway)

--If Contreras looks good, then release Colon (who has nothing left), and bring up C. Torres for the pen (and to back up Contreras' slot)

--Pods starting in CF (can't believe I am saying that, but, he has been a pleasant surprise), Anderson 4th OF and defensive replacement

--Kroeger up from AAA (that makes the bench Anderson (all OF), Nix (3B-SS-2B), Kroeger (corner OF, 1B) and Castro ©, which I think covers everything)

--Greg Walker fired (won't happen, and no I am NOT saying he's entirely to blame, but I think its necessary at this point)

--Promote Allen, Cook, Danks2, Omogrosso, possibly Retherford to AAA, to be ready to step in if necessary

 

Do these things now, play out June, and see where the team is at. If we can compete, great. If not, you are staged for the youth movement.

 

Fire away.

Unless you are Getz' therapist, please stay away from playing doctor. Getz has had two injuries to deal with. He fractured his finger at the time he was hitting over .300 and had an OBP over .400. This kid is doing the right things and is no where near the "mess" people think he is. Did you know Getz is 2nd among AL rookies in hits, despite the games he's missed due to injury?

[beck72]

Getz in the Iguchi role (if we had the Pods of 2005, first half) would be more valuable than what he is to this team.

 

We have to give him more time...and he's had a lot of little, nagging injury problems that have kept him from getting on a consistent streak of hitting. As long as he's hitting line drives (DJ had a stat that 56% of line drives end up as hits or something like that) and not uppercutting, he SHOULD be fine.

 

The problem is who do you sit: Getz, Ramirez or Fields?

Fields. Beckham is here mostly to play 3b.

 

I also saw an interesting stat today at the game. Getz was on base in something like 86% or 84% of his games last year in AAA. That tells me this kid is part of the solution, not part of the problem.

[NorthSideSox72]

Unless you are Getz' therapist, please stay away from playing doctor. Getz has had two injuries to deal with. He fractured his finger at the time he was hitting over .300 and had an OBP over .400. This kid is doing the right things and is no where near the "mess" people think he is. Did you know Getz is 2nd among AL rookies in hits, despite the games he's missed due to injury?

I don't need to be a doctor to see that his head isn't in the game. He had a serious brain cramp a day or two ago letting a throw get past him and then jogging back to get it, today he botched a pop-up, he is swinging at pitches well out of the zone... and normally that isn't his history.

 

Mind you, I think he's got a good future. I like Chris. But its clear that the league adjusted to him, he's thrown off a bit, and needs to get back on track.

[GREEDY]

--Pods starting in CF (can't believe I am saying that, but, he has been a pleasant surprise), Anderson 4th OF and defensive replacement

 

Pods will cost the team a minimum of 5 games if he starts the remainder in CF.

 

Even if Pods was able to keep swing a hot (lucky) bat his .300 average is only 50 points higher than Anderson's .250. Which is only one more hit every 20 at bats. (Not to mention Anderson out-slugs Pods and gets on base at roughly the same rate).

 

I personally wouldn't trade one hit per five games in exchange for Pods awesome/grinder/retarded CF defense.

 

Edited June 8, 2009 by GREEDY

[fathom]

Pods will cost the team a minimum of 5 games if he starts the remainder in CF.

 

No, not really. He's been fine defensively so far.

[GREEDY]

so far.

 

Coming into '09 Pods had a resume of 750 games that said he sucks dick in CF... 31 games of adequate D hasn't changed my opinion.

 

 

[fathom]

Coming into '09 Pods had a resume of 750 games that said he sucks dick in CF... 31 games of adequate D hasn't changed my opinion.

 

You do know that the season is a third of the way over? That would mean that Pods would do something so bad defensively in one out of 20 games to lose us the game? That seems quite the difficult accomplishment. He's not good out there, but we're not talking Mackowiak/Everett bad.

[GREEDY]

You do know that the season is a third of the way over? That would mean that Pods would do something so bad defensively in one out of 20 games to lose us the game? That seems quite the difficult accomplishment. He's not good out there, but we're not talking Mackowiak/Everett bad.

 

 

Yes you are completely correct.

 

Yes, five games is most likely an overstatement.

 

Yes, Pods is a better CF than Carl Everett.

 

But seriously, anyone that watches every game (I am assuming you are that kind of fan) such as myself learns just how important defense is. IMHO it is the MOST IMPORTANT thing to a pitcher's success. How many times has a missed play led to another 25 pitches being thrown by your starter, and an extra appearance for your reliever and f*** no one is thinking of the poor guy that has to open the bullpen door... he has children! He can't be opening that door all night.

 

Pods is NOT a CF and I do not think a Chicago baseball team that draws the crowd that the White Sox do should have to settle for someone playing out of position on defense. God knows we have for the best part of the last five years. Either play Anderson or make a move Kenny.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Pods is making up for it with his far, far, far, far, far, far superior bat to Anderson's. Any amount of games he costs us will surely look paltry when given the alternatives.

[TylerAtIU]

Pods is making up for it with his far, far, far, far, far, far superior bat to Anderson's. Any amount of games he costs us will surely look paltry when given the alternatives.

 

Pods is an adequate lead off hitter, and Anderson is a horrible hitter. Dont get head of yourself anointing Pods some sort of offense juggernaut with his .298/.338/.379 line(i think at least .350 is what most clubs are looking for) and a OPS+ of 86, just because you can compare him to someone who's bat has no place meaning in the majors.

[beck72]

I don't need to be a doctor to see that his head isn't in the game. He had a serious brain cramp a day or two ago letting a throw get past him and then jogging back to get it, today he botched a pop-up, he is swinging at pitches well out of the zone... and normally that isn't his history.

 

Mind you, I think he's got a good future. I like Chris. But its clear that the league adjusted to him, he's thrown off a bit, and needs to get back on track.

Well going back to AAA isn't going to get him back on track. The Sox have to see if he can be an everyday player in the bigs. I think he can. He's not like Lillibridge out there, overmatched.

 

And the pop up yesterday probably should have been Anderson's ball. The entire IF was on the edge of the grass. BA had a better look at it coming in.

[witesoxfan]

Gordon needs to be playing 2nd base where any offense he creates is considerred a bonus. At 3B he's a liability in the purest sense of the word.

 

Gordon Beckham's OPS right now, after 10 at bats, is 0. That's a liability if it's in the pitcher's spot in the NL.

 

quite frankly, offense is considered a bonus wherever you can get it in this lineup. I'd take it if he was playing rover and the Sox could field 10 guys.

 

He needs to hit, first and foremost. It's only 10 at bats...I'm the guy that has been giving Gavin Floyd all the support, even though his ERA was damn near 8 at one point after a substantial number of starts - I realize it's a long season. I want some f***ing offense, no matter what position. If he puts up a .750 OPS at 3B, it's an offensive plus for the White Sox lineup.

 

What you are essentially talking about is VORP. I could give a s*** about VORP, and I love the statistic; this lineup needs offense wherever it can find offense, and if thats with Beckham at 3B, I love it; at 2B, I love it; in Charlotte, I love it. Need more?

[hawkubes]

Pods is an adequate lead off hitter, and Anderson is a horrible hitter. Dont get head of yourself anointing Pods some sort of offense juggernaut with his .298/.338/.379 line(i think at least .350 is what most clubs are looking for) and a OPS+ of 86, just because you can compare him to someone who's bat has no place meaning in the majors.

I agree, and Podsednik doesn't wet his pants every time he comes up with RISP. Christ, talk about costing your team games, how about leaving guys on base (and usually with less than 2 out). I can't remember the last time Anderson even made contact in an AB during a scoring opportunity, and it seems like there have been a lot of them for him lately. Pods definetely isn't my first choice when these situations come up, but Anderson may as well not even bring a bat up there.

[NorthSideSox72]

I was saying Anderson was a better choice than Pods a while back, because of Anderson's superior defense. But I admit, I apparently drastically underestimated what Pods could do offensively, and slightly overstated how bad he'd be defensively. He's better than BA right now, not much doubt in my mind.

 

Well going back to AAA isn't going to get him back on track. The Sox have to see if he can be an everyday player in the bigs. I think he can. He's not like Lillibridge out there, overmatched.

 

And the pop up yesterday probably should have been Anderson's ball. The entire IF was on the edge of the grass. BA had a better look at it coming in.

 

That pop up was about 10 feet into the outfield grass, Getz was right there, and Anderson was going in full speed and couldn't get there. It was Getz' play, he was actually in position, then started hesitating and looking around, and it dropped.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

I was saying Anderson was a better choice than Pods a while back, because of Anderson's superior defense. But I admit, I apparently drastically underestimated what Pods could do offensively, and slightly overstated how bad he'd be defensively. He's better than BA right now, not much doubt in my mind.

 

 

 

That pop up was about 10 feet into the outfield grass, Getz was right there, and Anderson was going in full speed and couldn't get there. It was Getz' play, he was actually in position, then started hesitating and looking around, and it dropped.

 

The infield was drawn in on that play, so it wasn't nearly as routine as it would usually be.

[NorthSideSox72]

The infield was drawn in on that play, so it wasn't nearly as routine as it would usually be.

Definitely not, but it was still Chris' play, and he was still there to make it.

 

This was not intended to be a dissection of that play, it was just one example where his hesitation and judgement show me that he's not mentally there right now on the field.

 

[southsider2k5]

Definitely not, but it was still Chris' play, and he was still there to make it.

 

This was not intended to be a dissection of that play, it was just one example where his hesitation and judgement show me that he's not mentally there right now on the field.

 

As the player coming in on the ball, it is Anderson's job to tell Getz that he CAN'T get to that ball. He is the general on that play, not Getz.