Fields v. Getz

[NorthSideSox72]

As the player coming in on the ball, it is Anderson's job to tell Getz that he CAN'T get to that ball. He is the general on that play, not Getz.

And we'll never know what was said. What we do know is that Getz was there under the ball, Anderson wasn't (and couldn't be), and Getz failed to make the play.

 

[Dick Allen]

As the player coming in on the ball, it is Anderson's job to tell Getz that he CAN'T get to that ball. He is the general on that play, not Getz.

Actually both players should assume the other one is not going to get the ball until they are called off. Not hearing BA say he's got it is a signal he isn't going to get it. The ball yesterday was no one's fault. With the infield in and the OF back, its one of the risks.

 

I think people need to give Getz a break. He's a rookie. Rookies struggle. Plus he's far from 100% physically. There's a hitch in his giddyup still. His ankle is bothering him.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Dick Allen

[Buehrle>Wood]

Pods is an adequate lead off hitter, and Anderson is a horrible hitter. Dont get head of yourself anointing Pods some sort of offense juggernaut with his .298/.338/.379 line(i think at least .350 is what most clubs are looking for) and a OPS+ of 86, just because you can compare him to someone who's bat has no place meaning in the majors.

 

But that's just it, it is a matter of comparison.

 

By the way, check your numbers.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Buehrle>Wood

[Dick Allen]

Pods has been playing well, but chances are its not going to last.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Pods has been playing well, but chances are its not going to last.

 

Maybe. We said that ten games ago and ten games before that. Either way you ride him out at this point.

[DBAHO]

Getz is displaying no power whatsoever right now.

 

And Beckham's call up may have been the wake up call Fields' needed.

 

If Josh keeps getting 1 or 2 hits a game over the next couple, I think you stick with him at third base for a week or 2 at least, see if he can get into a groove and rotate Getz and Beckham at 2B.

 

But this is my worry with the Beckham situation. He needs to be getting AB's everyday for his development. And if he's not producing from the get go in Chicago, he's not going to get that at the major league level.

[NorthSideSox72]

I think people need to give Getz a break. He's a rookie. Rookies struggle. Plus he's far from 100% physically. There's a hitch in his giddyup still. His ankle is bothering him.

Which is one of the reasons why calling up Beckham was a mistake. Fields and Getz were still learning. But now that Beckham is here, and his future is probably much stronger than either of them, you need Beckham to play. IMO, right now, Getz is the weakest of the three, and he needs full time at-bats to work on his various issues. He may also benefit from a few days off to get healthy, before starting again, but when he is ready, he needs that full time play.

 

[lostfan]

Bump. You were wrong. Very very very wrong.

 

This is just total BS. Getz's runs created number is 3.84. How is it ever going to get much better than that? He has NO power, and no hope of every gaining any. Teams don't fear his bat, so who's going to walk him? He's looking at an OPS that might top out .700, and an RC27 number that might top out in the low 4s. In other words, he's David Eckstein at best. And Eckstein is currently ranked 18th among 2B in the Majors at 4.01 RC per game.

 

Of course, Getz is not even Eckstein because he can't play SS. And he's probably not even the best fielder the Sox could put at 2B. Ramirez, Beckham, and Nix may all be better.

 

So, I'll give up the point made about how Getz made it onto the team to start the season -- didn't want to rush Beckham, Nix was hurt -- but neither of those reasons are true any more. Nix is playing and Beckham is up. That means Getz should go.

 

Fields? His RC27 number is even worse than Getz's at the moment. But in 2007 it was 4.72. That's why the Sox should let Fields work out his swing until he fixes it or Viciedo is ready. Send Getz down or trade him.

Getz's is 4.62 now. See what happens when you jump to conclusions based on a small sample size from a player's first few dozen games?

 

 

Getz is no Iguchi, and never will be. Tadahito could hit the long ball. Remember the 3-run HR he hit against David Wells to win game 2 of the ALDS against Boston in 2005? Iguchi's RC27 number was 5.01 in 2005. Getz is never going to get much above the low 4s because he has no power and isn't going to hit well enough in our park to be anything but a drag on our offense.

 

Plus, for the guys who think he can play multiple posiitons, what are you smoking? If Getz could play SS reliably, and 3B, he might have a role as a utility player. Instead, he's merely a 2B.

Oops.

 

 

I'm a firm believer in the RC27 way of rating a player's offensive value. It is more refined than OPS because it includes the value of speed. Getz's RC27 is 3.84. That ranks him at the very bottom rung of major league 2Bs.

 

I see no prospect of Getz's numbers getting much better because he has no power -- not even much hope of hitting a lot of doubles or triples -- and therefore little hope of ever developing a high OBP because pitchers will not fear him. He doesn't even seem to use the whole field when he hits. The hits I've seen him get are all pulled into RF. That suggests his BA will also never get much better.

 

Gordon Beckham is vastly better in just about every way to Getz. And Jayson Nix is vastly better as a utility guy because he can play far more positions than Getz. So I just see no room for him.

 

As for light hitting guys with speed, I'm just not enamored that much of them. They have low RC27 totals for the most part, which means that even with their speed they are not increasing the runs scored per game, they are dragging it down. But in the Cell, the Sox certainly cannot afford multiple light hitters. If we're going to keep one, I'll go with Scott Podsednik, who's at 4.38 runs per game, which is better than any CF we have.

And this is what happens when you talk out of a certain place you're not supposed to talk out of. About the only thing you said that made any sense was that Beckham was a far superior to Getz, and, well... duh.

[Chisoxfn]

Assumptions like that happen when people don't realize adjustment periods are necessary. Getz will never make the hallf of fame and will probably never be an all star but he has the ability to be a very good baseball player and a very very valuable asset to a good offensive club (he'll make a great 9 hitter who has the ability to hit for average, draw walks, bunt, handle the bat, steal bases, and play average to slightly above average defense). Yea, I like Getz a lot. Than again Getz was one of hte few guys in the Sox system that I was saying nice things about the past couple years.

[chw42]

Getz is a nice little player. I really like his speed. He just doesn't get on base enough.

[WCSox]

Getz is a nice little player. I really like his speed. He just doesn't get on base enough.

 

He has a career .322 OBP, which isn't terrible as long as he's not at the top of the order. A number of teams that are lacking a 2B or a SS could benefit from a guy like him hitting 9th (or as a utility player).

 

[lostfan]

This thread was started at the bottom of Getz's slump and during his adjustment period and was making a point that didn't make much sense. I made a note of how asinine it was and told myself I was going to bump it when Getz went through those adjustments.

[scenario]

Getz had himself a very nice July... .324/.373/.441/.815...

 

And did a nice job today of carrying it over into August... 3-5 with a double, two stolen bases, and two runs scored.

 

 

[RibbieRubarb]

Some of the people on this site...If they were the GM/Managers we would Never trade propects, bench every player who goes 0 for 4 and pull pitchers after 3 innings if they give up a hit.

 

[RME JICO]

Getz had himself a very nice July... .324/.373/.441/.815...

 

And did a nice job today of carrying it over into August... 3-5 with a double, two stolen bases, and two runs scored.

Yeah, since the ASB, he is batting .340.

[Kyyle23]

He's 25. His biggest downside is ZERO power. He has 6 career steals and been caught twice.

 

 

He's got no power so there is no reason for pitchers to walk him.

 

If he reached his maximum potential, he'd probably top out at a .700 OPS, and he'd have to hit nearly .300 to get there, with a .350 OBP.

 

And between now and then, if he ever did reach that point (which I doubt), we'd have to suffer through pathetic numbers that are way below league average.

 

 

On grass, in the homer-friendly Cell, he's a disaster. (Moreover, he can't play SS, so he's effectively useless as a utility player.)

 

 

Give me Josh Fields and his strike outs every day over that. I can at least hope that Fields will fix the hitch in his swing and return to the 20-homer power he displayed two years ago.

 

This entire post, and pretty much every post following from VAFan, was b****ing about Getz being unable to hit a homerun. The entire lineup can hit a homerun, why is it so damn important for Getz to hit a homerun? The guy bunts, steals, has the speed to get doubles and triples. How can one decide that Fields 1 or 2 strikeouts per game(a modest estimate most of the time) are more acceptable than being unable to hit a homerun(which Getz has done)?

 

Weird

Edited August 2, 2009 by KyYlE23

[Jeremy]

Getz had himself a very nice July... .324/.373/.441/.815...

 

And did a nice job today of carrying it over into August... 3-5 with a double, two stolen bases, and two runs scored.

 

Funny, I guess we'll never know what Fields would have done had he been given the opportunity to continuing playing every day and make some adjustments. Josh managed to post a ~ .800 OPS with sporadic playing time after Beckham was called up.

[Kyyle23]

Funny, I guess we'll never know what Fields would have done had he been given the opportunity to continuing playing every day and make some adjustments. Josh managed to post a ~ .800 OPS with sporadic playing time after Beckham was called up.

 

What about the opportunity he was given BEFORE Beckham was called up? The reason the playing time was taken away from him was because he couldnt hit a 90 MPH fastball.

[iamshack]

Funny, I guess we'll never know what Fields would have done had he been given the opportunity to continuing playing every day and make some adjustments. Josh managed to post a ~ .800 OPS with sporadic playing time after Beckham was called up.

 

In what, 16 AB's?

 

 

[Jeremy]

What about the opportunity he was given BEFORE Beckham was called up? The reason the playing time was taken away from him was because he couldnt hit a 90 MPH fastball.

 

He struggled...just like Getz.

[iamshack]

What about the opportunity he was given BEFORE Beckham was called up? The reason the playing time was taken away from him was because he couldnt hit a 90 MPH fastball.

That's the thing - most of the more vocal people on this board don't even want Beckham to play 3b - because he is such a more valuable player at 2b. But compared to what Josh has done, Beckham looks like the second coming of George Brett right now.

 

There should be little sympathy for Josh Fields right now.

[Jeremy]

In what, 16 AB's?

 

No, more than that but you guys are missing the point. It's not that Fields proved he belonged as a reserve, it's that if Getz rebounded when given some more time to get it together, then Fields might have also.

[iamshack]

No, more than that but you guys are missing the point. It's not that Fields proved he belonged as a reserve, it's that if Getz rebounded when given some more time to get it together, then Fields might have also.

Indeed, he may have. Unfortunately for Josh, he plays a position where others are far superior to him. While I would love to see Beckham ultimately move to 2nd, even if it means Getz gets displaced from the everyday lineup, the makeup of our current team dictates that Beckham plays 3rd and Getz/Nix platoon at 2b.

 

And the point remains: Josh was given plenty of opportunities and did not show either the ability or the willingness to shorten his swing so he could get to a mediocre major league fastball. That just does not bode well for his major league career, or any team he gets regular at bats with.

[scenario]

No, more than that but you guys are missing the point. It's not that Fields proved he belonged as a reserve, it's that if Getz rebounded when given some more time to get it together, then Fields might have also.

 

Compare their splits on a month-to-month basis and decide whether you still have an argument.

 

 

[chw42]

He has a career .322 OBP, which isn't terrible as long as he's not at the top of the order. A number of teams that are lacking a 2B or a SS could benefit from a guy like him hitting 9th (or as a utility player).

 

I don't think of him as an above average offensive player yet. With his speed, he should be. If he can post a .340 OBP, he could be very valuable.