Dick Allen Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 You have had guys like Wise and Lillibridge leading off. Corky Miller actually hit 6th. Quentin has been hurt. This roster is lacking a few things when at full strength and offensively hasn't been full strength all year. The GM needs to correct his mistakes. As good as Danks II and guys like Allen may be, if you have a couple of rookies in the line-up all the time, they do struggle and will hurt your offense. Strikeout machines like Wise and Fields and BA don't do much for the offense, but if they changed hitting coaches I'm sure they would all be competing for a batting title. The verdict is this team needs better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 08:27 AM) Swisher. We added Getz, Lillibridge, Wise (late last year), ETC. bunting and stealing can't be a priority with our current lineup, not until the old core is gone. Ideally, we'd be OBP oriented team. Swisher's OBP is too high for me to lump in with Crede and Uribe, who together probably have a .300 OBP. If Swisher's BA/OBP had been 30 points higher last year (more in line with what he's done for his career) he'd have been ideal, instead he sucked. Bunting and stealing won't help Wise unless they both raise their OBP by 100 points or more. There's nothing wrong with the core of the team, it's the rest of the lineup that's killing us. Edited June 8, 2009 by lostfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 08:37 AM) There's nothing wrong with the core of the team, it's the rest of the lineup that's killing us. Agreed, we're pretty much making the same argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 12:44 AM) It's scary how poorly we match up with Galarraga, Bonderman, Verlander, and Jackson. All four guys have nasty slider/curves against a team with a bunch of pull-happy righties. We're going to need just a monster week from Thome and AJP. If memory serves me right, we have a decent to good history against three of those four guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 08:58 AM) Agreed, we're pretty much making the same argument. I kind of figured we were. Basically this team needs players who don't suck. It doesn't have to be Curtis Granderson (although that would be really nice), but something, anything with a .350+ OBP up there, and not AJ batting right behind him. And the less sub .300 OBPs in the lineup, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 With a healthy TCQ in left, Pods over Anderson in CF and when they solve the Beckham-Fields-Getz triangle, this team looks to me like they are fully capable of winning this weak division. But they need to be right there near or at the top come the All Star Break to do that, or else its time to recycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 The Sox are 45 runs below the AL average for runs scored, so that's obviously your major problem here. They have a negative Win Probability of -3.48 for their offense, 0.02 for their starters and 1.46 for the pen, a total of -2 altogether. And mainly it's because of a lack of power. Overall the offense has an OPS of .706 which is just abysmal. So when the weather warms up, and the bats get hot, this team will do better. But it's mainly down to 4 guys. Fields, Getz, Anderson/Wise and Ramirez. They all have OPS's below .650, and this team is just not going to be a good team if 4 of your players in your lineup who play half their games in an offensive ballpark are below par offensive players. Ramirez will get above .700 I've got no doubt about. Beckham should if he plays everyday, but b/w Getz, Anderson/Wise and Fields, I'm not so sure about at all. EDIT: And Orlando Hudson a guy who I really wanetd in the off-season has splits of .315/.396/.444 right now for an OPS of .840. He'd look real good in our lineup right now that's for sure. Either 2B or CF MUST be upgraded in the off-season without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 DBAHO, where do you draw the conclusion that it's mainly a lack of power from a .706 OPS? OPS = on base PLUS slugging percentage. It could be either one, or both. It's probably both, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 9, 2009 -> 12:26 AM) DBAHO, where do you draw the conclusion that it's mainly a lack of power from a .706 OPS? OPS = on base PLUS slugging percentage. It could be either one, or both. It's probably both, actually. Their SLG is only .387. League average is only .424 in the AL, and their OBP is only .2 below the league average. Plus this team is built to score runs via the long ball, not by getting on base, we all know that. So when the Sox ain't scoring runs, you got to think it's because they ain't hitting enough home runs, and only 1 guy on this team has more than 10 HR's, so if that trend continued on we'd only have 1 guy over 30 HR's at season's end, which for this team and the ballpark would be absolutely not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Can't believe I'm the only one who keeps bringing this up. On the road, right now, the White Sox are a top 10 offense in MLB. At home right now, the White Sox are hitting worse than the Padres. It must be a mental/approach thing. We're putting up solid offensive performances on the road, but we can't hit worth a lick in one of the best hitters parks in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Because they are not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 The team lacks pure hitters, was bound to have two of its three best pitchers go through growing pains (Danks/Floyd), and than has a rookie (or an old man depending on whether its Richard or Contrers), and a guy that is falling apart (Colon) in the rotation. So bottom line, we are going to see inconsistent play all season long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 10:52 AM) Because they are not good. But only not good at home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:23 AM) But only not good at home? Yep. Inconsistency is what makes a team bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinningUgly85 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 we just suck. Do we really need a reason. We should trade everyone and build a franchise around Quentin. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (WinningUgly85 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) we just suck. Do we really need a reason. We should trade everyone and build a franchise around a player who has not demonstrated that they can remain healthy for a full season. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) Can't believe I'm the only one who keeps bringing this up. On the road, right now, the White Sox are a top 10 offense in MLB. At home right now, the White Sox are hitting worse than the Padres. It must be a mental/approach thing. We're putting up solid offensive performances on the road, but we can't hit worth a lick in one of the best hitters parks in baseball. The pitching has an ERA about a run lower at home as well. USCF has played pretty big for the most part so far. If the ball isn't going over the wall, the White Sox are going to have a tough time scoring usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) The pitching has an ERA about a run lower at home as well. USCF has played pretty big for the most part so far. If the ball isn't going over the wall, the White Sox are going to have a tough time scoring usually. Is there anything they changed/renovated this year that could have made that big of a difference? It's playing worse for bats than Petco. Has it been ridiculously cold compared to normal years? Really, the numbers are just mind-boggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:45 AM) Is there anything they changed/renovated this year that could have made that big of a difference? It's playing worse for bats than Petco. Has it been ridiculously cold compared to normal years? Really, the numbers are just mind-boggling. The weather this spring in Chicago has been wacky - far cooler and wetter than normal. That may be having an effect, as it does seem like some guys like PK and Ramirez have been hitting balls caught right at the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Why are our opponents weather proof when they play in our park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:47 AM) Why are our opponents weather proof when they play in our park? They really haven't been until this homestand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (1) Quentin's hurt (2) Danks is having an off-year, after all of the extra innings he threw last season (3) Floyd is back to his inconsistent self (4) Contreras and Colon are both done (5) No leadoff hitter with a decent OBP in April (although Pods is hitting well now) (6) Alexei had a terrible April (7) Fields appears to have been highly-overrated Thankfully, the rest of the division isn't much better and I don't see why the Sox can't contend. Getting Quentin back and Alexei re-gaining form will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:47 AM) Why are our opponents weather proof when they play in our park? They aren't nearly as reliant on the home run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Right now, the Cell is playing like the 3rd worst hitters park in baseball according to ESPN's ballpark factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 12:05 PM) Right now, the Cell is playing like the 3rd worst hitters park in baseball according to ESPN's ballpark factor. I really have to think this is caused, at least in part, by the cool spring weather so far, especially when the team has been in town. So this is what the Sox would look like if they played in Petco, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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