Healthcare reform

[Y2HH]

I love how that is covered up now as the "Nebraska deal", instead of what it actually is...

 

I also love the dismissal of it because "it will be killed by reconciliation". That makes it ok to be in there now.

[Balta1701]

I also love the dismissal of it because "it will be killed by reconciliation". That makes it ok to be in there now.

I love how much anger you guys show over any deal-making in a Dem bill compared to how little you show when a Republican does the same thing.

[Y2HH]

I love how much anger you guys show over any deal-making in a Dem bill compared to how little you show when a Republican does the same thing.

 

If republicans pulled that crap in this bill, you'd see me talking about it equally as much.

 

Once again, I'm ignored when I outright tell everyone that I dislike the GOP just as much, and I honestly do. I'm just not a big poster on all subjects, but this one in particular. I'm aware the republicans have done similar things in the past, and are probably doing it now, and they can stick it up their asses, too.

[Balta1701]

If republicans pulled that crap in this bill, you'd see me talking about it equally as much.

So, where then are your complaints about the efforts by my current Senators to make sure that payday loans are exempted from any new financial regulation bill because Senator Corker happens to have the billionaire "Check into Cash" guy in his state? Or the complaints about how that same Senator is fighting to make sure that Fedex keeps a special designation in the law that prevents their workforce from unionizing?

 

Those are the 2 I happen to know because I get to vote against that guy now. There are 532 different versions of that happening right now.

[Y2HH]

So, where then are your complaints about the efforts by my current Senators to make sure that payday loans are exempted from any new financial regulation bill because Senator Corker happens to have the billionaire "Check into Cash" guy in his state? Or the complaints about how that same Senator is fighting to make sure that Fedex keeps a special designation in the law that prevents their workforce from unionizing?

 

Those are the 2 I happen to know because I get to vote against that guy now. There are 532 different versions of that happening right now.

 

I officially lodge my complaints on both right now. I dislike that sort of politics and I feel its a big issue in this country. I don't care if it's a democrat, a republican or an independent pulling garbage like this...they're wrong, and I don't support them.

 

Unfortunately, I cannot and will not devote the time necessary to follow every such story, but again, no matter where or when this happens, I'm against it.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Y2HH

[southsider2k5]

I love how much anger you guys show over any deal-making in a Dem bill compared to how little you show when a Republican does the same thing.

 

Honestly, you have pretty much singlehandedly killed the whole "outrage" thing for me. I have pretty much walked away from filibuster because of these types of "discussions" here. Pretty much I have the energy to make a post or two every once in a while about something that is unusually hypocritical, but otherwise, there isn't any point.

[Cknolls]

So, where then are your complaints about the efforts by my current Senators to make sure that payday loans are exempted from any new financial regulation bill because Senator Corker happens to have the billionaire "Check into Cash" guy in his state? Or the complaints about how that same Senator is fighting to make sure that Fedex keeps a special designation in the law that prevents their workforce from unionizing?

 

Those are the 2 I happen to know because I get to vote against that guy now. There are 532 different versions of that happening right now.

 

 

Some FEDEX workers are union. You mean the entire workforce should be able to unionize, no?

[Balta1701]

Some FEDEX workers are union. You mean the entire workforce should be able to unionize, no?

I didn't figure the Health Care thread deserved a full paragraph explanation of a bill involving Fedex, Specifically their drivers are forbidden from unionizing by a quirk in the law, which gives them a competitive advantage over other companies (UPS, USPS, DHL) and allows Fedex to classify their drivers as independent contractors so that they don't have to pay benefits or anything. There's a bill in Congress that would remove this special protection and move the governance of Fedex's drivers to the NLRB, like the other companies, that Sen. Corker has a hold on and is working hard to stop.

[StrangeSox]

Not happening.

 

And no, just because you use a different font doesn't mean you have my support. The bill needs to be simpler, and it needs to target more than just insurance. It can be shorter AND fix how bills are created and also regulate the insurance industry at the same time.

 

How do you make it shorter and target substantially larger issues?

[StrangeSox]

Can be done.

 

The constitution is shorter than this, and covers a LOT more ground.

 

It's vague and very high-level government structure. How many pages of court documents do you want to include that go into understanding the Constitution?

[Y2HH]

How do you make it shorter and target substantially larger issues?

 

If they rip out all their back room deals and other such nonsense, the bill would be half the size, and largely more understandable. Nothing should be in this bill EXCEPT matters concerning the reform of health care. That would be a good start at cutting down the size of the bill in an of itself.

[NorthSideSox72]

If they rip out all their back room deals and other such nonsense, the bill would be half the size, and largely more understandable. Nothing should be in this bill EXCEPT matters concerning the reform of health care. That would be a good start at cutting down the size of the bill in an of itself.

This I agree with. Getting rid of earmarks is good, but it won't help with all the B.S. that gets slapped into unrelated bills, which is bad on multiple levels. I don't know how we could do it, but I'd love to see some sort of truth-in-legislation work done, so that a Health Care bill is 100% about... you know... Health Care.

 

[Y2HH]

This I agree with. Getting rid of earmarks is good, but it won't help with all the B.S. that gets slapped into unrelated bills, which is bad on multiple levels. I don't know how we could do it, but I'd love to see some sort of truth-in-legislation work done, so that a Health Care bill is 100% about... you know... Health Care.

 

Can't disagree with you.

 

I've maintained from the start, I'm not against HC reform, I'm simply against what they're doing here, which is health insurance reform. People keep saying it's a start, but it's not...this is a start and a finish. If this even gets through in it's current form, and that's a big if, it's all that will get through, as there will be no future reforms in any meaningful way in the foreseeable future (at least a decade), as the balance of power in the both houses will undoubtedly shift back to the GOP by then. Things only seem to get done when one side controls enough votes to get things done, and it's obvious by now that the democrats are losing their majority, and will continue to lose more and more of it as time goes on during Obama's tenure. And even then, when one side has such control, they only tend to get things done that they want done and how they want them done.

 

Another thing I dislike about the entire conversation of the HC debate is that from the start, republicans are against it -- any of it, all of it...no matter the reason, be it via lobbyists swaying their vote or their own actual options. On the flip side, any suggestions the republicans do have are largely ignored by the democrats and or simplified to almost a meaningless state when they are included. Neither side wanted a serious debate, or a serious discussion focused on resolution to this issue. What both wanted was to have it done their way, right away...and anything the other side says is wrong or just outright ignored. This is fundamental problem at the core of this country and what the two party system has come to bring the people.

 

Party voting is bringing this country to it's knees, because the people voting have no idea what the people their voting for even stand for these days.

 

And it's getting worse and worse.

[Balta1701]

On the flip side, any suggestions the republicans do have are largely ignored by the democrats and or simplified to almost a meaningless state when they are included.

Care to give a few examples?

[Y2HH]

Care to give a few examples?

 

No, I really don't feel the need.

 

You should already know the many examples by now, and if you don't, I don't need to bother.

[Balta1701]

No, I really don't feel the need.

 

You should already know the many examples by now, and if you don't, I don't need to bother.

Because the remarkable thing is how many of the things in the bill the Republicans supported until they were in the bill. An individual purchase mandate? That was a proposal from Grassley last spring. Allowing small businesses to band together to use combined purchasing power to negotiate rates with insurance companies? Republican idea, in there. Allowing states a ton of leeway in finding cheaper ways to implement things? Section 1302 of the Senate bill, they can literally junk the entire bill if they think they can do better. Republican idea. Allowing selling of insurance across state lines? It's in there. Lawsuit reform? In there. Additional private investigations of medicare spending abuses? That's Senator Coburn's idea. Capping the value of the tax break you can get on more expensive insurance plans? Hell, Senator McCain's campaign plan was to eliminate the tax break entirely.

 

Of course...each one of them makes it longer.

[Y2HH]

Because the remarkable thing is how many of the things in the bill the Republicans supported until they were in the bill. An individual purchase mandate? That was a proposal from Grassley last spring. Allowing small businesses to band together to use combined purchasing power to negotiate rates with insurance companies? Republican idea, in there. Allowing states a ton of leeway in finding cheaper ways to implement things? Section 1302 of the Senate bill, they can literally junk the entire bill if they think they can do better. Republican idea. Allowing selling of insurance across state lines? It's in there. Lawsuit reform? In there. Additional private investigations of medicare spending abuses? That's Senator Coburn's idea. Capping the value of the tax break you can get on more expensive insurance plans? Hell, Senator McCain's campaign plan was to eliminate the tax break entirely.

 

Of course...each one of them makes it longer.

 

They're in there, but not entirely like the republicans wanted. The lawsuit reform for example, isn't quite like what the republicans were talking about. It's a massively dumbed down version of it just so they can do what you just tried to do -- say it's in there. Same with the rest of those...they're in there, but not quite what the republicans were talking about.

 

And you're post proved you knew what I was talking about, so don't play politics and ask what you already know next time.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Y2HH

[mr_genius]

i know this will be controversial, but IMO medicare/medicaide patients should have procedures done overseas. i think i've mentioned this before.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog...a_hospital.html

 

The city-state has some of Asia’s best doctors and hospitals, and within Singapore, Parkway has long enjoyed a reputation of being the best of the best. India has ambitions to be a major player in the medical tourism business, too. Indian hospitals are generally much less expensive than those in Singapore or other medical-tourism destinations such as Thailand or the Philippines. For instance, a hip replacement that costs $43,000 in the U.S. could cost $12,000 in Singapore and just $9,000 in India.

[Balta1701]

They're in there, but not entirely like the republicans wanted. The lawsuit reform for example, isn't quite like what the republicans were talking about. It's a massively dumbed down version of it just so they can do what you just tried to do -- say it's in there. Same with the rest of those...they're in there, but not quite what the republicans were talking about.

Should I give you a similar list of things the Dems wanted but which are dumbed down or gone rather than in there 100%? Or does only 1 side get that priveledge?

[Y2HH]

Should I give you a similar list of things the Dems wanted but which are dumbed down or gone rather than in there 100%? Or does only 1 side get that priveledge?

 

Nope, no need...I know the republicans pull that crap too, and that was part of my rant above. Screw them for doing it, too. I'm tired of that kind of politics, and as I stated earlier, it's getting worse and worse.

[Balta1701]

It's on.

MARKUP NOTICE: The Reconciliation Act of 2010

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

March 12, 2010

 

Date: March 15, 2010

Time: 3:00pm

 

Location: 210 Cannon House Office Building

[Balta1701]

Nope, no need...I know the republicans pull that crap too, and that was part of my rant above. Screw them for doing it, too. I'm tired of that kind of politics, and as I stated earlier, it's getting worse and worse.

So basically, you want a short, bi-partisan bill that incorporates 100% of everyone's ideas and fixes everything all at once

[kapkomet]

So basically, you want a short, bi-partisan bill that incorporates 100% of everyone's ideas and fixes everything all at once

 

You aren't even worth the electric it takes to read this anymore.

[Cknolls]

So we get a healthcare bill with student loan rider in it. And we get a healthcare bill with NO doc fix because it has nothing to do with healthcare? f***ing Brilliant....Kudos to Congress.....LOL...Glad we passed paygo.....Oh wait dems will vote to rescind paygo in 3....2...1.....

[Cknolls]

You aren't even worth the electric it takes to read this anymore.

 

 

 

 

^^^^^^^And what SSK said earlier..this is monotonous and redundant....