Rex Kickass Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 08:55 PM) just a curious question... can't the town hall organizers insist that the only ones allowed in, are those who actually live in the District? That would keep 90% of those disrupting things, out. Just show proof of residence in the District.. electric bill, ID, voter registration ID, etc. Actually, what's been most effective to dispel protests has been congressmen who are holding their town halls in parking lots, where consituents with questions are getting one on one time with the congressperson. Not in a public town hall setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:55 PM) just a curious question... can't the town hall organizers insist that the only ones allowed in, are those who actually live in the District? That would keep 90% of those disrupting things, out. Just show proof of residence in the District.. electric bill, ID, voter registration ID, etc. Yeah right, no ID to vote, but show an ID to enter a townhall? LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 03:01 PM) Yeah right, no ID to vote, but show an ID to enter a townhall? LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: HAHAHA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Dr. Hawking on the NHS when asked about the matter: "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told us. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 10:19 AM) Dr. Hawking on the NHS when asked about the matter: Shh.... shut up Mr Hawking. you're hurting the GOP's cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 10:25 AM) Shh.... shut up Mr Hawking. you're hurting the GOP's cause. Mr. Hawking is one of the few lucky ones that avoid the death panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 08:27 AM) Mr. Hawking is one of the few lucky ones that avoid the death panels. Aka...anyone from the western world who doesn't have to deal with the American health care system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) I have heard a few people trying to say "Palin's comment was exaggerated but not really that far off." Any possible explanation justifying that exaggeration (well, bald-faced lie, but I'm in a generous mood) is a moot point though, because that stuff already exists in the system we have now, it's just not transparent and called something else (rationing etc, even though rationing is already happening and always has been). Plus, this is under the assumption that a gov't takeover of the system is being proposed, which it's not. Edited August 12, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) Mr. Hawking is one of the few lucky ones that avoid the death panels. Well, that's because he didn't live in in Texas. After all, Texas protects hospitals from damages when they withhold lifesaving or life sustaining treatments because the patient doesn't have health insurance or their health insurance won't cover a specific treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 08:42 AM) I have heard a few people trying to say "Palin's comment was exaggerated but not really that far off." Any possible explanation justifying that exaggeration (well, bald-faced lie, but I'm in a generous mood) is a moot point though, because that stuff already exists in the system we have now, it's just not transparent and called something else (rationing etc, even though rationing is already happening and always has been). Plus, this is under the assumption that a gov't takeover of the system is being proposed, which it's not. It's only evil if the government sits in a room and decides it. It's not evil if the private sector has panels that sit in a room and decide whether or not they're going to pay for people's treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 10:43 AM) Well, that's because he didn't live in in Texas. After all, Texas protects hospitals from damages when they withhold lifesaving or life sustaining treatments because the patient doesn't have health insurance or their health insurance won't cover a specific treatment. We have to make certain that Godless commies do not survive . . . all bow to the "for profit" health insurance companies, and pray they are in a benevolent mood when they decide on your treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:47 AM) It's only evil if the government sits in a room and decides it. It's not evil if the private sector has panels that sit in a room and decide whether or not they're going to pay for people's treatment. I just don't get it... why so indignant about a hyperbolic, hypothetical scenario that doesn't even exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 08:50 AM) I just don't get it... why so indignant about a hyperbolic, hypothetical scenario that doesn't even exist? Because a Kenyan wants to kill my grandmother to win his racial holy war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 08:55 AM) Because a Kenyan wants to kill my grandmother to win his racial holy war. In all seriousness...listen to the people yelling at these things. It's literally a combination of everything that 5% of the country has been yelling about. He's a terrorist! He's a Muslim! He's a Kenyan! He hates Jesus! He's a socialist! He's a communist! He wants to kill my grandmother! It's a classic scare tactic. You rile up a very small percentage, let them shout down everyone else and encourage them to do so, and suddenly the media is talking about how reform is on the ropes. It's worked. That's the simple answer about where this has come from; it doesn't matter how out there it is, as long as it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 10:50 AM) I just don't get it... why so indignant about a hyperbolic, hypothetical scenario that doesn't even exist? Exhibit A of why I hate populist movements. The knowledge base behind them is about ankle deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) Exhibit A of why I hate populist movements. The knowledge base behind them is about ankle deep. So far, just today, that same lie has been repeated by: RNC Chair Steele, Republican Congressman John Mica, and one of the actual 6 guys who are the key negotiators for the Senate Finance committee: Senator Charles Grassley. Seriously...they're going to keep doing this until someone in the media starts asking them "Sir, why do you insist on lying to your constituents and why should they ever believe you on this issue again?" Anything less than that and it doesn't hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 ABC had an article on their website last night saying it was incorrect and NPR had a story this morning trying to find the source of the incorrect claim. They're still maintaining "objectivity," which means "don't question R's or they'll whine 'liberal bias'!" I don't like Democrats or a lot of the Democrat platform on economics, but I want them to win just to spite the Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) Exhibit A of why I hate populist movements. The knowledge base behind them is about ankle deep. just like the Democrat and GOP base. Whatever Talking Point memo or Matt Drudge reports on turns into a big b**** fest between the groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) I just, in so many words, got called a sheep and was confronted on why I support government management of healthcare by a stranger on someone else's Facebook status because I criticized how some conservatives were handling themselves lately and said they were hard to take seriously. God that s*** is annoying. I politely, but condescendingly set her straight. edit: after arguing, she friend requested me. lol. At least she's attractive. Edited August 13, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 09:10 PM) just like the Democrat and GOP base. Whatever Talking Point memo or Matt Drudge reports on turns into a big b**** fest between the groups. It's funny, once said person has downloaded that point from their respective source and are told how to think, it's almost impossible to get them to change their mind most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I could only hope to be as objective as some respected posters in the filibuster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 The thing that no one is talking about, as usual, is individual economic freedom. That is the one thing that this country was really founded on. We keep losing more and more of our rights and freedoms "for the good of the masses", but no one seems to care about it. It amazes me that the same groups of people who could throw the Franklin quote about sacrificing liberty during the freedom of speech and privacy arguments, have no problem sacrificing their own economic liberties permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:59 PM) The thing that no one is talking about, as usual, is individual economic freedom. That is the one thing that this country was really founded on. We keep losing more and more of our rights and freedoms "for the good of the masses", but no one seems to care about it. It amazes me that the same groups of people who could throw the Franklin quote about sacrificing liberty during the freedom of speech and privacy arguments, have no problem sacrificing their own economic liberties permanently. I actually brought this up about 30 pages ago, what economic freedom do I have right now? This system is pretty opaque. Besides the premium and the list of options I have when I enroll, I don't see where any of the other money goes or have much of a choice in how much it costs. Dems aren't talking about economic freedom because a government takeover of healthcare isn't on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Lemon Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:06 PM) Dems aren't talking about economic freedom because a government takeover of healthcare isn't on the table. BOOOOOOOOO! YOURE LYING!!! It IS happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:06 PM) I actually brought this up about 30 pages ago, what economic freedom do I have right now? This system is pretty opaque. Besides the premium and the list of options I have when I enroll, I don't see where any of the other money goes or have much of a choice in how much it costs. Dems aren't talking about economic freedom because a government takeover of healthcare isn't on the table. So how is being forced to have government health care, being taxed to pay for it, and being penalized if you don't particpate not losing freedoms? Right now you have the freedom to choose who you want to be covered through, whether it is a company that your employer picks, or someone you pick on your own. You also have the option of not having any insurance at all. The second line sounds great as a talking point, but is a horrible misrepresentation of what will be the reality, and I can give a great example in the modern corporate world today. Wal-Mart. If the federal government comes in, cuts the prices at which the labor pool is going to work at, and cuts the prices that can be charged for goods and services, eventually the will run out all of the other competition in the system, eventually rendering themselves the last stop for health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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