BigSqwert Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Can someone explain to me how this becomes universal health care? I haven't been on top of this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 specifics of the pub. option aren't out, possiblly the medicare +5 or schumers negotiated rates, as it stands, a mandate for health insurance will probably pass and a public option will be instituted where states can opt-out if they don't want it. Those without insurance can get on the PO, and not sure about underinsured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 07:30 AM) Can someone explain to me how this becomes universal health care? I haven't been on top of this issue. The GOP is using the "slipery slope" argument. Basically, once we offer a public option, it'll slowly migrate towards a system where the government squeezes out the other insurers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 07:33 AM) specifics of the pub. option aren't out, possiblly the medicare +5 or schumers negotiated rates, as it stands, a mandate for health insurance will probably pass and a public option will be instituted where states can opt-out if they don't want it. Those without insurance can get on the PO, and not sure about underinsured. It will probably be a negotiated rates, not a medicare +5 public option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I guess I need to be more specific. How does an unemployed person get insurance? Will they get the public option for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 No, they'll buy it through the Health Care Exchange if they are eligible. Not everyone will be. I've read that it is negotiated rates, not Medicare rates, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Ah. So there won't be a true universal healthcare program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 No. There never was going to be. That idea wasn't even brought up for discussion. Maybe it was the right move given the reaction to a public option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:08 AM) Ah. So there won't be a true universal healthcare program. I've said for a log time now that i believe this is the first step of many. A drastic shift to universal, or single payer, or even a public option would be very hard. The first step iis to get the public option out there. Then once that is in place and people stop freaking out and realize it isnt so bad, then you move to universal. After that, then single payer... but I just dont see that happening in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) I've said for a log time now that i believe this is the first step of many. SLIPPERY SLOPE! SLIPPERY SLOPE!!! DEATH PANELS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 08:58 AM) I guess I need to be more specific. How does an unemployed person get insurance? Will they get the public option for free? I believe there will be some subsidies in place for low income/unemployed. It should make insurance outside of a job cheaper than COBRA, ideally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) I've said for a log time now that i believe this is the first step of many. A drastic shift to universal, or single payer, or even a public option would be very hard. The first step iis to get the public option out there. Then once that is in place and people stop freaking out and realize it isnt so bad, then you move to universal. After that, then single payer... but I just dont see that happening in my lifetime. So you criticize the GOP for employing a slippery slope argument that points to exactly what you also believe will eventually happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:44 AM) So you criticize the GOP for employing a slippery slope argument that points to exactly what you also believe will eventually happen? No no. I am saying that is the argument they are using. Not criticizing it. They very well may have some valid points if you believe universal / single payer is a bad idea. I would also argue while I think this is step one in a multi-step PLAN, that doesn't mean the other steps will come to be. AS you can see, there is great outcry by some over a public option. Universal and single payer is a MUCH harder battle. Just because there is a plan doesnt mean it will come to be. The GOP is angling this as Reform = Socialist Single Payer Universal Healthcare, which isnt the case. Edited October 27, 2009 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) No no. I am saying that is the argument they are using. Not criticizing it. They very well may have some valid points if you believe universal / single payer is a bad idea. Ah ok. I got you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Can someone explain how the CBO can score an outline of a bill when they have no idea which/how many states will opt in/out of this plan? It is nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Lets hope the flu vaccine boondogle is not a harbinger of things to come, i.e. gov't healthcare. Because so far the response has been pitiful. The administration promised in July that 80-120 million doses would be ready by mid-October. But only 16.5 million doses have become available. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9102603487.html Edited October 27, 2009 by Cknolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 LOL, it's the government's fault that this particular virus doesn't grow as quickly in mass production facilities as other flu viruses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) LOL, it's the government's fault that this particular virus doesn't grow as quickly in mass production facilities as other flu viruses. It was in 2004 when the Dems blamed Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) LOL, it's the government's fault that this particular virus doesn't grow as quickly in mass production facilities as other flu viruses. How long did they know swine flu was going to hit the U.S.? (-12 months? Seems like a pretty good head start, don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:03 AM) How long did they know swine flu was going to hit the U.S.? (-12 months? Seems like a pretty good head start, don't ya think? Am I the only one who remembers the virus's sudden appearance on the national consciousness in April after it first really appeared in Mexico in March? You have an odd definition of "Months". Or of "12". I can't tell which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:02 AM) It was in 2004 when the Dems blamed Bush. haha i remember that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:03 AM) How long did they know swine flu was going to hit the U.S.? (-12 months? Seems like a pretty good head start, don't ya think? No. If they had that much advance warning it would have been included as another strain in the regular seasonal vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Democrats pretended to be stupid, therefore I should be allowed to as well, except when I do it it's not stupid, it's just honesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 swine flu challenge http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu what a badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 It is patently absurd to blame Obama or Bush for slowness of getting out flu vaccines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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