Y2HH Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 03:03 PM) I would be okay with this if I knew what an astral plane was. See, I was waiting for you on the astral plane and you never arrived...I won via forfeit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 04:56 PM) See, I was waiting for you on the astral plane and you never arrived...I won via forfeit. god dammit. (note to self: google "astral plane") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) god dammit. (note to self: google "astral plane") Didn't it take you longer to type this post than to actually do the googling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 04:02 PM) Didn't it take you longer to type this post than to actually do the googling? And I just assumed that a guy who has a mortal kombat avatar would know what an astral plane was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) I believe this will make Kap laugh, it made me laugh. However, the rest of you liberals will no doubt cite numerous reasons why it's not true. Edited December 17, 2009 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 05:02 PM) Didn't it take you longer to type this post than to actually do the googling? Yeah, but stop making me look dumb, it's not very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 This abortion thing is bulls***, by the way. It's all window dressing for the "breakthrough moment". We have to have drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Every time I hear Wendell Potter talk, it just makes me more frustrated to read the vehement defenses of the insurance companies you see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 I don't think a lot of us "defend the insurance companies". I do, however, staunchly oppose my government being my health care mandator/provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 02:43 PM) 2,401 of them are you. 134 of them. Which is less than Kap, Balta, YOU, losftan, SS2K5, StrangeSox and bmags. nyeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (kapkomet @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 07:42 PM) I don't think a lot of us "defend the insurance companies". I do, however, staunchly oppose my government being my health care mandator/provider. I work for an insurance company and in some cases (not all cases), I don't defend them. Shady practices like dropping coverage or using technicalities to not pay, etc, I find ZERO excuse for. And while some of that is very bad, it's not all their fault, either. The biggest problem right now is they're the ones being blamed for EVERYTHING, not some things, but EVERY LITTLE THING. Take note that the insurance companies aren't the ones who set the price of that 1 tablet you need to take at 200$ a pop, despite the fact it costs 13 cents to make. Pharma does that. The insurance companies aren't the ones making out the hospital bills and sending them in chock full of unnecessary testing and unapproved practices (which the hospital knows better than to administer as depending on what you are diagnosed with insurance companies only cover certain types of testing), which happens A LOT more than most of you could imagine. There are so many factors that go into this, all left unchecked, and all resting on insurances shoulders...while the hospitals, the pharmaceuticals and many others in between share the blame. So far this bill has been nothing but a witch hunt against insurance companies. Meanwhile, hospitals and pharma got a cake walk pass, a sweet deal as some would call it, just to 'go with the flow'. In the end, I can tell you right now, it solves nothing. Rather than charging the insurance companies 200$ a tablet or performing unapproved tests and requesting payment for them, they'll simply charge the taxpayers. For hospitals and pharms, it's a hell of a deal...give up a little now and gain MILLIONS of customers. In the end, it doesn't matter to them, they're still making the money...they're just getting it from the public coffers instead. Edited December 18, 2009 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Does the bill expand Medicaid eligiblity? And if it does, how will states pay for it? And how can the Feds pay for it and have it remain deficit neutral? Repeat after me:..... Unfunded Mandate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 11:30 AM) Does the bill expand Medicaid eligiblity? And if it does, how will states pay for it? And how can the Feds pay for it and have it remain deficit neutral? Repeat after me:..... Unfunded Mandate!! Because the feds have also added 2 taxes; a tax on cadillac health care plans (which is one possibly very solid means of creating a financial incentive for cost control) and returning to the Clinton era tax rates on the top tax bracket. Can't say exactly how large each is because we currently don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Nelson is on board. Dems have the 60 votes they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:56 AM) Nelson is on board. Dems have the 60 votes they need. How do you know this? nvm, it's on cable news right now. Edited December 19, 2009 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I don't get it -- if they have the 60 votes, why did they remove the public options and the expanded medicare options? Sounds like they only have 60 IF those things remain removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 that's the downside of having a "big tent" and not having a "purity test" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:07 AM) How do you know this? I have my sources...... ...... the internet. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:22 AM) I don't get it -- if they have the 60 votes, why did they remove the public options and the expanded medicare options? Sounds like they only have 60 IF those things remain removed. The last part is spot on. They only have the 60 votes if there is no public option (there are co-ops though) and no medicare buy-in. The public option will be back, just not this round of heathcare reform. baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:48 AM) that's the downside of having a "big tent" and not having a "purity test" I'd rather have a big tent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) The last part is spot on. They only have the 60 votes if there is no public option (there are co-ops though) and no medicare buy-in. The public option will be back, just not this round of heathcare reform. baby steps. I'd prefer the public option never come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) baby steps. And that's change we can believe in. *rolls eyes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 10:15 AM) And that's change we can believe in. *rolls eyes* I've said it from the very beginning, this is a multi-step process. I'm a bit surprised the public option got pulled, but not shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 10:16 AM) I've said it from the very beginning, this is a multi-step process. I'm a bit surprised the public option got pulled, but not shocked. I'd be ecstatic with the Senate version of the bill....if I were the CEO of Aetna. No wonder insurance stocks were through the roof. Edited December 19, 2009 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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