kapkomet Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 04:20 PM) Well, see, they know that if they really start a revolution, the American military will come rolling in to help out! Which makes perfect sense because 1) We'd actually do that 2) They'd actually want foreign military intervention It was really just someone trying to ad hoc justify the Iraq war still. Um, that's stupid, if someone was trying to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) Well, see, they know that if they really start a revolution, the American military will come rolling in to help out! Which makes perfect sense because 1) We'd actually do that 2) They'd actually want foreign military intervention It was really just someone trying to ad hoc justify the Iraq war still. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that's what they were saying before I condemned it as the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comment I had in my mind when I was making that post was something along the lines of the protesters waiting to know that the protesters are waiting to know that America is on their side. Except... they... aren't. And it's not like we have a great history of doing that either, like when Bush 41 told the Shiites to rise up against Saddam and then up and left and let them get slaughtered. Whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 05:21 PM) Of course not. I'm trying to do too much crap at once. Upgrade talkbears/bulls, get the new server, read StrangeSox Roberts debacle, and this. Did I say something? I just lol'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 We have a long history of f***ing with Iran's goverment. From the days of Mohammed Mosaddeq to the whole Iraq-Iran war / Iran contra mess. Maybe we should sit this one out. Since we don't have the best record with picking goverments over there. If the people of Iran want to get rid of their theocracy, they will. Countries don't need the United States to always come and save them from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) We have a long history of f***ing with Iran's goverment. From the days of Mohammed Mosaddeq to the whole Iraq-Iran war / Iran contra mess. Maybe we should sit this one out. Since we don't have the best record with picking goverments over there. If the people of Iran want to get rid of their theocracy, they will. Countries don't need the United States to always come and save them from themselves. If they actually do start a revolution for real, and indications are that they are going to put up a new government and they'll want better relations with the West, THEN we can start picking sides, because it'll all appear legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 04:30 PM) If they actually do start a revolution for real, and indications are that they are going to put up a new government and they'll want better relations with the West, THEN we can start picking sides, because it'll all appear legitimate. The rally saturday will be a big one for Iran. I'm afraid it could get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) If they actually do start a revolution for real, and indications are that they are going to put up a new government and they'll want better relations with the West, THEN we can start picking sides, because it'll all appear legitimate. Frankly, until we see the army actually turn on the government there's no reason for us to do anything. As long as Khamenei holds the trump card...killing an awful lot of people...in his pocket, then anything we do other than staying on the sidelines is counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/...he_four_iran_s/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 09:34 AM) http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/...he_four_iran_s/ Scenario 3 is well underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 FOX news is reporting the Iranian government is droping 'scalding, acid like liquid' onto protestors from helicopters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 05:59 PM) FOX news is reporting the Iranian government is droping 'scalding, acid like liquid' onto protestors from helicopters. Maybe it's pork grease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 06:02 PM) Maybe it's pork grease. I hope it's been tested for swine flu pre-helicopter drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 So Neda was a pretty sad and scary video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 21, 2009 -> 06:39 PM) So Neda was a pretty sad and scary video. Her eyes in that video are haunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) ETA: This is pretty graphic, maybe NSFW. - Kap Edited June 22, 2009 by kapkomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 She now has her own Wikipedia article: Neda Agha Soltan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I read a really interesting article about how these deaths are really just going to keep the protests going. I guess Shiite muslims (the majority in Iran) observe mourning at different intervals, 3, 7, and 40 days (I think), so after 40 days the whole ordeal will be revived. I wish I remembered where I read this--but they said that this type of cyclical mourning was part of what fueled the 1979 revolution. ETA: Found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 The scariest thing to me is that Iran as a country does something stupid to try to legitimize the need for Ach to be at the top, and that is most likely trying to provoke a war with a "new" Hawk PM in Israel with Bibby back at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 02:05 PM) The scariest thing to me is that Iran as a country does something stupid to try to legitimize the need for Ach to be at the top, and that is most likely trying to provoke a war with a "new" Hawk PM in Israel with Bibby back at the helm. I think the struggle has more to do with internal pressures than external. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) I think the struggle has more to do with internal pressures than external. If they believe they can turn public opinion with a war against the country that achy has been saying he wanted to wipe off of the map, they will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 02:20 PM) If they believe they can turn public opinion with a war against the country that achy has been saying he wanted to wipe off of the map, they will do it. I don't think so. I think that M.A. is pretty far off from the iranian public and I doubt they would support a war with Israel at this point. I mean, right now the Iranians are basically calling bulls***, and I think they would continue to call bulls*** if a war with Israel started up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 11:21 AM) I don't think so. I think that M.A. is pretty far off from the iranian public and I doubt they would support a war with Israel at this point. I mean, right now the Iranians are basically calling bulls***, and I think they would continue to call bulls*** if a war with Israel started up. Not if they could entice Israel in to striking first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 02:20 PM) If they believe they can turn public opinion with a war against the country that achy has been saying he wanted to wipe off of the map, they will do it. Huh? How would they do that? The rug is kind of pulled out from under them right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 01:22 PM) Not if they could entice Israel in to striking first. By tricking them into believing they have a nuclear weapon... Or even buying one from a cash starved NK? Its not a big leap of faith IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) By tricking them into believing they have a nuclear weapon... Or even buying one from a cash starved NK? Its not a big leap of faith IMO. Truth be told, they got the idea from a Steven Seagal movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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