NorthSideSox72 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I can't believe no one posted this yet - maybe I missed it. The Trib did a survey and ran this article, showing that statistically, Cubs and Sox fans are much more similar than different demographically. Thoughts? No quiz on baseball knowledge was given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 as a whole....if you surveyed the entire city...i believe it....i believe you won't find much demographic differnce between those who call themselves sox fans and those who call themselves cub fans... HOWEVER...i believe if you demographically polled the people who attend games...those stereotypes of blue collar vs. drunk frat boy will really show themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Cubs fans' favorite talking point is how Sox fans are all violent white trash and they love to bring up the Ligue incident. They love to ignore that they do things like this JUST as often, it doesn't get publicized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Here's the problem with this survey, it costs money to attend baseball games. For many people, especially in this economy, attending a baseball game can really dig into your pockets. Most time people who attend games have more disposable income and the people who have the disposable income are going to have the same characteristics. How many Sox fans never can attend games because of money, work, where they live? It's not that valid of a survey to me because they only surveyed people who attended games, which could account for less than 50% of a fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 07:53 AM) I can't believe no one posted this yet - maybe I missed it. The Trib did a survey and ran this article, showing that statistically, Cubs and Sox fans are much more similar than different demographically. Thoughts? No quiz on baseball knowledge was given. I would have loved to see those results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) Go to a game at Wrigley and go to a game at The Cell, and you'll see the DRASTIC difference in the types of fans. I've made my share of friends in my college days who weren't orginally from the Chicago area, and I can think of 3 of them off the top of my head who were baseball fans, went to games at both stadiums, and later told me some form of the comment "I can see why you're a Sox fan." Regardless of your opinion on Obama, I think his quote about the difference between a game at the two parks says it about as well as a person can say it. QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 08:48 AM) Here's the problem with this survey, it costs money to attend baseball games. For many people, especially in this economy, attending a baseball game can really dig into your pockets. Most time people who attend games have more disposable income and the people who have the disposable income are going to have the same characteristics. How many Sox fans never can attend games because of money, work, where they live? It's not that valid of a survey to me because they only surveyed people who attended games, which could account for less than 50% of a fan base. This is also very true. The biggest reasons the Cubs draw more fans that us is they have cornered the market on ignorant frat boys, drunken fools, and people from the state of Iowa (I hope they enjoy that market by the way, yikes.) But another big reason they outdraw more than us is they have a higher percentage of fans who can afford to go to the game they we do, or a higher percentage of fans who can afford to go to 10 to a dozen games instead of just about half a dozen, and so on (and I don't mean that comment in a demeaning way towards our fan base at all, btw.) Edited June 15, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 07:53 AM) I can't believe no one posted this yet - maybe I missed it. The Trib did a survey and ran this article, showing that statistically, Cubs and Sox fans are much more similar than different demographically. Thoughts? No quiz on baseball knowledge was given. Exactly. One of the primary reasons I became a Sox fan was because there was a very noticable difference between how much the Sox fans knew their team and the game of baseball vs. how much the Cubs fans knew their team and the game of baseball. I do admit, after winning the world series the Sox fanbase became a lot dumber in the baseball world though. But the difference is still there. Edited June 15, 2009 by Markbilliards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 08:04 AM) Cubs fans' favorite talking point is how Sox fans are all violent white trash and they love to bring up the Ligue incident. They love to ignore that they do things like this JUST as often, it doesn't get publicized. Did you know that Billy Ligue got a government job after getting out of jail? Ridiculous. I guess his son cleaned up his act a lot, but Billy deals coke and heroin and is still a dickhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 12:40 PM) Did you know that Billy Ligue got a government job after getting out of jail? Ridiculous. I guess his son cleaned up his act a lot, but Billy deals coke and heroin and is still a dickhead. Awesome. lol. How old is his son now? About 21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamPabloOzuna Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 location of the stadium. thats the got to be one of the biggest determinations. If/When they decide to demolish wrigley, and the cubs play at the cell, do you really think they'll bring in 40,000 strong every game? no way. they'll be lucky to get 20,000 on a tuesday, just like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (IamPabloOzuna @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 10:44 AM) location of the stadium. thats the got to be one of the biggest determinations. If/When they decide to demolish wrigley, and the cubs play at the cell, do you really think they'll bring in 40,000 strong every game? no way. they'll be lucky to get 20,000 on a tuesday, just like us. The Cubs started becoming more popular because all their games were on free tv while the White Sox went to cable in the early 80's. I read an article where it showed the Sox and Cubs were pretty much even in attendance thru the decades until the 80s when the Cubs started outdrawing us consistently,more exposure=more popularity. Growing up I watched more Cubs games than Sox because their games were free and on summer afternoons during school vacation,I actually liked both teams as a little kid.It wasn't until I was about 13 or 14 when I became an all out Sox fan due to 2 reasons,my dad was a US Steel worker and he got alot of free Sox tickets and took me whenever he got them and second,my best friend was a Cubs fan and he was really obnoxious about it,that drove me decidedly to the Chisox,lol... I remember my uncle bought me a Cubs helmet because he thought I was a Cubs fan...needless to say I later smashed it in front of my best friend to his horror. I sadly knew the Cubs were more popular because in my circle of friends,out of all of us there were 2 sox fans out of a dozen kids,and this was in the Southeast side of town,15 minutes from Comiskey,all because the Sox moved to cable. Nice move. Edited June 16, 2009 by MexSoxFan#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) The Cubs started becoming more popular because all their games were on free tv while the White Sox went to cable in the early 80's. I read an article where it showed the Sox and Cubs were pretty much even in attendance thru the decades until the 80s when the Cubs started outdrawing us consistently,more exposure=more popularity. Bingo! We have a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamPabloOzuna Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 01:15 PM) Bingo! We have a winner. No. maybe 15-20 years ago. But not now. The majority of fans at Cubs games are young post-college folks who moved to the north side after they graduated. They fill wrigley everyday because its a party. If the White Sox had been playing at wrigley all those years it would be the same deal. Its a product of the neighborhood and its surroundings (highly residential, filled with mostly white, educated young adults with plenty of money to spend). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (IamPabloOzuna @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 01:28 PM) No. maybe 15-20 years ago. But not now. The majority of fans at Cubs games are young post-college folks who moved to the north side after they graduated. They fill wrigley everyday because its a party. If the White Sox had been playing at wrigley all those years it would be the same deal. Its a product of the neighborhood and its surroundings (highly residential, filled with mostly white, educated young adults with plenty of money to spend). The party aspect is true, but it doesn't invalidate the TV aspect, which definitely has a lasting effect. Just because it was 20 years ago doesn't make it go away - fans beget fans. Its definitely a long term factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (IamPabloOzuna @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) The majority of fans at Cubs games are young post-college folks who moved to the north side after they graduated. They fill wrigley everyday because its a party. If the White Sox had been playing at wrigley all those years it would be the same deal. Its a product of the neighborhood and its surroundings (highly residential, filled with mostly white, educated young adults with plenty of money to spend). Bingo! We have another winner. Notice MexSoxFan#1 said the trend started with the free tv vs. cable thing. The points you bring up are true enough too, but I disagree with the Sox playing in Wrigley theory, besides that's just plain silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamPabloOzuna Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 01:38 PM) Bingo! We have another winner. Notice MexSoxFan#1 said the trend started with the free tv vs. cable thing. The points you bring up are true enough too, but I disagree with the Sox playing in Wrigley theory, besides that's just plain silly. If the White Sox moved into wrigley now or the last 10-15 years or so? No. Absolutely not. But if they had been playing there all along, like the Cubs, it wouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 12:30 PM) The party aspect is true, but it doesn't invalidate the TV aspect, which definitely has a lasting effect. Just because it was 20 years ago doesn't make it go away - fans beget fans. Its definitely a long term factor. You are correct,sir... The neighborhood I grew up in was working class,white,black and Hispanic and majority Cubs fans,in the southside no less...fans do beget fans. My wife and I are expecting in October and you can bet your butt he/she will be a White Sox/Bears/Bulls fan just like my father was even though I haven't lived in Chicago since the late 80s. Unless you don't like your folks too much,you root for the team your ma and pa rooted for,family tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Scotty Pods will score 7 runs this series, and the Sox will sweep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) If you polled Sox and Cubs fans and asked them who won the World Series in 2007, more White Sox fans would know. If you polled Sox and Cubs fans and asked them who played 2B for the Cubs in 1990, more Sox fans would know. Edited June 16, 2009 by striker62704 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 04:40 PM) If you polled Sox and Cubs fans and asked them who won the World Series in 2007, more White Sox fans would know. If you polled Sox and Cubs fans and asked them who played 2B for the Cubs in 1990, more Sox fans would know. I think some Cubs fans would know that Ryan Sandburg played 2B for them in the early 90s. More Sox fans would probably know and then we'd be accused of caring too much about the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Is it sad that I can tell you the starting lineup of the 1983 Sox and the 1984 Cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 ^^That makes two of us.^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 05:24 PM) Is it sad that I can tell you the starting lineup of the 1983 Sox and the 1984 Cubs? No. What's sad is the number of members on this site who were not old enough to remember those seasons or even born yet. So old, so old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 05:24 PM) Is it sad that I can tell you the starting lineup of the 1983 Sox and the 1984 Cubs? Yeah, I wasn't born yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf_soxfan Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 No question. and they've had almost a century to build upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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