Contreras named AL player of the week

[TylerAtIU]

Can Wise pull this type of turn-around too?

 

If by "pull this type of turn around" you mean that Wise will learn to locate(and learn to throw) his fork-ball, possibly. But go down and learn to hit, if it didn't happen in his 10 years in the minors before we made him a major league player I doubt it will happen now.

 

BTW way to go Jose!!!!!!!

Edited June 15, 2009 by ChiSox420*

[GreatScott82]

If we have 2005 2nd half/2006 1st half contreras that will= 2009 Central Division Champion Chicago White Sox. No Doubt in my mind. Will he keep this up? Likely, no. If he does, the rotation looks like this.

 

 

Contreras

Buehrle

Danks

Floyd

Richard

 

The hitting should heat up. If not, I still like our chances with that rotation.

Yep. key phrase- will he keep it up? He is healthy now. But we've seen this before, he shows flashes of the past, then tears something. I really hope the guy stays healthy for once. And if he does, i completely agree with you rangercal- the White Sox have a great shot at winning the central. Even with our subpar lineup.

[rangercal]

I'm not joking when I say this. But this post got me a little bit excited. Not sure how much I believe that any of it can realistically happen. I will agree that a dominant Jose Contreras changes the entire complexion of the division.

 

I'm not sure what can realistically happen, but we all witnessed what a dominant Contreras can do when he anchors the staff, 2005 World Champions and one of the best records in baseball for the 1st half of 06. Didn't he have a record during that stretch where he went 20-2? What pitcher in baseball matches that dominance? No one.

 

 

When you have 30/1 odds to win it all when all things are even, you do not trade a possible FORCE that can will you to a title. Again, will he keep this up? Probably not. But I would rather put my stock in a player who has already put us on his back to win a ring, rather than receiving a player who might just be another Brent Lillibridge.

 

By the way... The Last time Contreras started and allowed 0 runs in back to back starts was August,4th and August 9th 2005.

Edited June 16, 2009 by rangercal

[Balta1701]

I'm not sure what can realistically happen, but we all witnessed what a dominant Contreras can do when he anchors the staff, 2005 World Champions and one of the best records in baseball for the 1st half of 06. Didn't he have a record during that stretch where he went 20-2? What pitcher in baseball matches that dominance? No one.

 

 

When you have 30/1 odds to win it all when all things are even, you do not trade a possible FORCE that can will you to a title. Again, will he keep this up? Probably not. But I would rather put my stock in a player who has already put us on his back to win a ring, rather than receiving a player who might just be another Brent Lillibridge.

 

By the way... The Last time Contreras started and allowed 0 runs in back to back starts was August,4th and August 9th 2005.

My thinking on the matter is thus.

 

Hypothesize that Contreras is fully recovered and continues this level of performance for a few more starts, say through the end of this month at least, wins 4 games in a row, looks like the Contreras of old.

 

Do we trade him? Here's my answers.

 

1. If we're getting Carlos back soon, then I give it at least until mid-July to see where this team is. This offense is better than they've played so far; they prove that every time they go on the road, then they fall apart in a great hitter's park. It's bizarre. But if we can add in Quentin again and count on him to actually produce, then we might have a legit shot if Jose can pitch like this. If late July they're still struggling or Quentin is slumping, then it's time to open the markets.

 

2. In the case that we're not getting Carlos Quentin back to nearly 100% by the All Star Break, this lineup simply is not going to win a world series no matter what Jose does. I have no urge to move someone like Poreda for a rent-a-bat to replace him (Holliday) given our future potential cost constraints and the lineup that we have at AA right now to build on next year. Without knowing Carlos's medical reports I can't say for sure, but that leaves us with 2 options.

 

a. If someone offers a very good return for Jose, yes, let him go. I'm not thinking anything crazy, but I'm not moving him at this point in the season without a very substantial return. I'm thinking like someone in the 20-60 range on this year's baseball america top 100 list. Think about last year; the Brewers gave up Matt Laporta, who was #23, along with a handful of other stuff for 2/3 of a season of C.C. Sabathia. If someone offers a legit return on that level, yes I'd let him go right now.

 

b. If no one's offering that kind of return, then I hold until late July. In that case, weigh my options; if I'm trading Jose and he's still pitching to form, I want a guy who has a shot at being very good back. If no one offers that, then we eat his salary this season and let him pitch it out.

[rangercal]

My thinking on the matter is thus.

 

Hypothesize that Contreras is fully recovered and continues this level of performance for a few more starts, say through the end of this month at least, wins 4 games in a row, looks like the Contreras of old.

 

Do we trade him? Here's my answers.

 

1. If we're getting Carlos back soon, then I give it at least until mid-July to see where this team is. This offense is better than they've played so far; they prove that every time they go on the road, then they fall apart in a great hitter's park. It's bizarre. But if we can add in Quentin again and count on him to actually produce, then we might have a legit shot if Jose can pitch like this. If late July they're still struggling or Quentin is slumping, then it's time to open the markets.

 

2. In the case that we're not getting Carlos Quentin back to nearly 100% by the All Star Break, this lineup simply is not going to win a world series no matter what Jose does. I have no urge to move someone like Poreda for a rent-a-bat to replace him (Holliday) given our future potential cost constraints and the lineup that we have at AA right now to build on next year. Without knowing Carlos's medical reports I can't say for sure, but that leaves us with 2 options.

 

a. If someone offers a very good return for Jose, yes, let him go. I'm not thinking anything crazy, but I'm not moving him at this point in the season without a very substantial return. I'm thinking like someone in the 20-60 range on this year's baseball america top 100 list. Think about last year; the Brewers gave up Matt Laporta, who was #23, along with a handful of other stuff for 2/3 of a season of C.C. Sabathia. If someone offers a legit return on that level, yes I'd let him go right now.

 

b. If no one's offering that kind of return, then I hold until late July. In that case, weigh my options; if I'm trading Jose and he's still pitching to form, I want a guy who has a shot at being very good back. If no one offers that, then we eat his salary this season and let him pitch it out.

 

100% agree. Great Post.

[Princess Dye]

It's not just 'you shouldntve booed contreras'

 

 

 

you should not boo any white sox player. it's totally pointless. either does nothing or hurts, but surely cant help.

[whitesoxbrian]

God bless the man.

[rangercal]

It's not just 'you shouldntve booed contreras'

 

 

 

you should not boo any white sox player. it's totally pointless. either does nothing or hurts, but surely cant help.

 

Yankee fans boo Arod to no end at Yankee Stadium (before the steroid allegations too)

 

Jeter can do no wrong however, even with a 0-5 outing with 4 ks.

 

Main argument has always been that Arod should live up to his salary, last time I checked Jeter has been in the top 5 salaries in baseball for nearly a decade, with inferior numbers.

[Chisoxfn]

The Sox could take the money saved and sign the Cuban lefty Arguelles. As long as they have a plan on what to do with the money and can get someone to take Contreras contract and give us a decent piece, than I'm on board. But I've written this team as it currently stands off anyway. If it turns things around it will be because young players have really stepped up, imo.

[beautox]

Okay, so here's my question. If he maintains this form over the next few weeks but the Sox offense continues to waste quality starts, is Jose more valuable as a trading chip or finishing out his contract with the Sox (ends this year, right)? I know a lot of factors come into play, but let's just say the Sox are still in 3rd place and about 5 games back. Does anyone think Jose can bring back any decent trade deadline haul?

 

I would say move him, the angels are once again desperate for an arm, and the mets need one badly as well if they're going to supress the marlins and catch up with phillies.

 

Names i would consider: Wood, Arredondo, F-Mart, Holt, Flores

[BFirebird]

I mean, how much respect can you have for a player?

 

1.potentially career ending injury-rehabs like crazy, comes back early and in better shape overall

2. realizes that his command isnt there and asks to be sent down

3. Works his ass off without a negative word in AAA on his stuff

4. comes back up and dominates.

This says it all right there. How many people actually pony up and say, "You know what? I am not doing so hot, I think I need to go down to the minors and figure it out." Most players let their "pride" get in the way to do that. Players like Contreras are a reason to like sports.

[BFirebird]

I would say move him, the angels are once again desperate for an arm, and the mets need one badly as well if they're going to supress the marlins and catch up with phillies.

 

Names i would consider: Wood, Arredondo, F-Mart, Holt, Flores

I am pretty sure Jose could not bring in one of those guys, but Jose would be pretty filthy in the NL.

[beautox]

I am pretty sure Jose could not bring in one of those guys, but Jose would be pretty filthy in the NL.

 

honestly i think he could bring in wood or Arredondo; Arredondo is having a pretty bad year, and they just brought up rodriguez instead of wood, Wood appears to have fallen out of favor with their front office.

 

I think if we are out of it the sox have plenty of pieces that would bring back some nice prospects and depth.

 

In order to get F-mart/Holt/Flores i think you would have to have Jose moved with Konerko or Dye to make that happen as both are signed or have an opition for next year.

[watchtower41]

I am pretty sure Jose could not bring in one of those guys, but Jose would be pretty filthy in the NL.

 

 

Jose is pretty filthy anwhere as long as he doesn't succomb to his personal kryptonite: BoB

[Cubano]

If Contreras puts up two more real good starts and we are still 5-7 games back, it is the time to trade him. You might actually be able to get something good for him to if he is dominant.

 

 

I agree.