lostfan Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 21, 2009 -> 04:56 PM) Government has to legislate morality, the question is how much. At this point, I say give gay marriage policies and such to the states, let them choose what they want. Well laws are based in morality to some degree. I just don't like the government trying to effect Puritan-esque social change or dictating how people should live their lives, especially if they're not hurting anyone else. The only exception IMO is those laws that try to correct social inequality and discrimination, but you could easily make an argument that the people being discriminated against are being hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 This is where the GOP steps in their s*** all the time. They want to be the "moral" party because of their evangelical ties, and what they don't get is morality shouldn't be edicted from the government. Humans are immoral beings, period, and the second you start judging another you're in the wrong. Now... I may have issues with a person, but I shouldn't judge them. They could be served this little dose of reality once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Jun 21, 2009 -> 07:42 AM) Alpha, now that you know he is a Rep "top aide", care to write the same scathing post you were saving for if he was a Dem? How would your response be different if the motivation was personal revenge or personal and political revenge? I had no reply waiting, but have various levels of scorn depending on his reasoning behind it. Although if it had turned out that he was a major Democratic donor and/or had been contacted recently by Moveon.org or something just prior to his meeting, I am sure that I could have worked up enough scorn to make you proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 21, 2009 -> 06:58 PM) I had no reply waiting, but have various levels of scorn depending on his reasoning behind it. Although if it had turned out that he was a major Democratic donor and/or had been contacted recently by Moveon.org or something just prior to his meeting, I am sure that I could have worked up enough scorn to make you proud. But think about this for a moment. You discover the guy is f***ing your wife. Isn't that enough reason to want revenge via blackmail? Wouldn't any other reason really be secondary? What you are saying is a Dem should not seek revenge because it would seem like a political ploy, but it would be ok for a Rep? That's stretching it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 21, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) This is where the GOP steps in their s*** all the time. They want to be the "moral" party because of their evangelical ties, and what they don't get is morality shouldn't be edicted from the government. Humans are immoral beings, period, and the second you start judging another you're in the wrong. Now... I may have issues with a person, but I shouldn't judge them. They could be served this little dose of reality once in a while. This is where us bleeding hearts have one up on "family values" conservatives. Since we're always apologizing for everything anyway, forgiveness is much easier to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jun 21, 2009 -> 11:12 PM) This is where us bleeding hearts have one up on "family values" conservatives. Since we're always apologizing for everything anyway, forgiveness is much easier to get. So true. That's a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share Posted July 9, 2009 Dude, you're supposed to announce this on the day of the Jackson memorial or the day before, not 2 days later. Nevada Sen. John Ensign has acknowledged that his parents paid his mistress and her family $96,000 in April 2008, according to a statement made by his attorney moments ago. "After the Senator told his parents about the affair, his parents decided to make the gifts out of concern for the well-being of long-time family friends during a difficult time," said Paul Coggins, counsel to Ensign. Coggins added that Ensign never used official money or campaign funds to make the payments. "None of the gifts came from campaign or official funds nor were they related to any campaign or official duties," said Coggins. "Senator Ensign has complied with all applicable laws and Senate ethics rules." Ensign's father, Mike, is a well-heeled casino executive, having left his post as chairman of the Mandalay Resort Group in 2005. Ensign's father took $29 million in stock options when he left in 2005 and two years earlier had cashed out $103 million worth of stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 04:20 PM) Dude, you're supposed to announce this on the day of the Jackson memorial or the day before, not 2 days later. His parents paid someone to play with him. What cool parents and what a popular child. As a kid they hung a t-bone around his neck so the dog would play with him. Isn't paying a mistress basically hiring a prostitute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share Posted July 9, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) His parents paid someone to play with him. What cool parents and what a popular child. As a kid they hung a t-bone around his neck so the dog would play with him. Isn't paying a mistress basically hiring a prostitute? It's either that or successful blackmail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 04:50 PM) It's either that or successful blackmail. At almost $100,000, does that give him 5-Diamond status? When does a mistress become a hooker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 All guys pay for ass, in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 BTW, I'm wondering if there was any dyslexia in the check amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I can summarize my feelings about this. Vote the guy out and it's over. Besides comedic opportunities, I just cannot work up any outrage or indignation over some dude getting caught having an affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share Posted July 9, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 03:03 PM) BTW, I'm wondering if there was any dyslexia in the check amount. I'd assume it was that amount for some tax related reason. But yeah, i get the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 05:05 PM) I'd assume it was that amount for some tax related reason. But yeah, i get the joke. It also breaks down to $8K per month. That seems significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 06:05 PM) I can summarize my feelings about this. Vote the guy out and it's over. Besides comedic opportunities, I just cannot work up any outrage or indignation over some dude getting caught having an affair. What about if he pursues the affair beginning when he invites the married couple to stay with his family while the mistress and her husband have their home repaired from a burglary and all six kids from the two families are in the house at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 06:10 PM) What about if he pursues the affair beginning when he invites the married couple to stay with his family while the mistress and her husband have their home repaired from a burglary and all six kids from the two families are in the house at the time? Pushes the envelope, but other than voting him out of office, I just don't have any energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 If you're up for reading it, there's some more bizarre details coming out about this story and how the wife of the guy in the affair approached a Christian politician group that Ensign was a member of and people from that group literally walked with him to the mailbox to make sure he was actually breaking off the affair, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 12:12 PM) If you're up for reading it, there's some more bizarre details coming out about this story and how the wife of the guy in the affair approached a Christian politician group that Ensign was a member of and people from that group literally walked with him to the mailbox to make sure he was actually breaking off the affair, etc. Can we call him less intelligent than Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 12:24 PM) Can we call him less intelligent than Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin? No. He just has more out of control gonads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 This has been a fairly bad weekend for the Senator, thanks to the NY Times. The job pitch left out one salient fact: the senator was having an affair with Mr. Hampton’s wife, Cynthia, a campaign aide. The tumult that the liaison was causing both families prompted Mr. Ensign, a two-term Republican, to try to contain the damage and find a landing spot for Mr. Hampton. In the coming months, the senator arranged for Mr. Hampton to join a political consulting firm and lined up several donors as his lobbying clients, according to interviews, e-mail messages and other records. Mr. Ensign and his staff then repeatedly intervened on the companies’ behalf with federal agencies, often after urging from Mr. Hampton. While the affair made national news in June, the role that Mr. Ensign played in assisting Mr. Hampton and helping his clients has not been previously disclosed. Several experts say those activities may have violated an ethics law that bars senior aides from lobbying the Senate for a year after leaving their posts. In acknowledging the affair, Mr. Ensign cast it as a personal transgression, not a professional one. But an examination of his conduct shows that in trying to clean up the mess from the illicit relationship and distance himself from the Hamptons, he entangled political supporters, staff members and Senate colleagues, some of whom say they now feel he betrayed them. For example, a longtime fund-raiser who came through with help says Mr. Ensign misled him about why Mr. Hampton needed a new job. The senator also put his chief of staff at the time, who had raised concerns that Mr. Hampton’s activities could be problematic, in charge of dealing with him. And Mr. Ensign allowed Senator Tom Coburn, a friend and fellow conservative Christian, to serve as an intermediary with the Hamptons in May in discussing a large financial settlement, to help them rebuild their lives. The Senate Ethics Committe and the Departmetn of Justice are going to get in on the act this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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