DBAHO Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Didn't know whether to post this in here or the music thread, but for anyone who's watched a Cavs game, they sometimes play a song which is basically just all music and no lyrics for about 15-20 secs during a play, and it's an old 80's song I think, and I'm trying to figure out what the name of it is, and it's stuck in my head ATM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 06:24 AM) Ben Gordon averaged 21 pts. 3.5 reb and 3.5 assists a game for the Bulls last year and he's in his prime. He may be an upgrade over Gordon, but its not huge, and certainly won't make the Bulls Eastern Conference contenders. Depends on how the remaining guys develop. You hold onto TT, Rose keeps playing like he has the last few games, Noah keeps developing, you hire a new coach, and Deng remains at the 17/8 level he's at right now, plus you keep guys like Gibson, Johnson on the bench, and maybe have a decent draft pick this year and you're back to having a deep team with some inside/outside balance led by what should be a dominant point guard. That Bulls team can contend if Rose keeps looking like he has the last couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Speculation that Vinny Del Negro's days are numbered in Chicago has increased dramatically in the wake of reports that the team has started to "quit" on him. The team is showing early signs of cracking. Bulls management may be waiting to see if players returning from injury (Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas) can turn the ship around, but Del Negro may be on the way out if things don't improve quickly. It's almost comical that 95% of the fanbase was livid with VDN's hiring, yet folks paid millions per year decided to hire that f***-up. I'm sure Hinrich and Tyrus could "turn the ship around" though! F*ck the bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is VDN really being paid millions (plural) per year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 VDN was a cheap hire and sounded much more like a pure stop-gap. They missed out on D'Antoni and I'm sure both sides regret what happened. No way Mike is happy in New York and The Bulls aren't happy with VDN. I think the Bulls throw a lot at Van Gundy/Doug Collins and see if one comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) I think the Bulls throw a lot at Van Gundy/Doug Collins and see if one comes. Really? You think the Bulls will throw a lot of money at a coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) Really? You think the Bulls will throw a lot of money at a coach? After the complete failure of VDN, it would be hard not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 12:36 PM) After the complete failure of VDN, it would be hard not to. Even if they have to pay off the next 1.5 years of the VDN contract (Which admittedly is only like 0.75 years worth of a good coach) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 JR really screwed the pooch by not doing everything it took to get D'Antoni in here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) Even if they have to pay off the next 1.5 years of the VDN contract (Which admittedly is only like 0.75 years worth of a good coach) Keep in mind, this is most likely the coach that has to be able to convince LeBron/Wade/Bosh, etc to come to Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Meanwhile, the timing couldn't be better for the Bulls to pull the trigger on hiring a new coach, and it could be a matter of just hours before they make a change. Teams normally like to switch coaches when a block of home games and/or off days permits practice time and the new guy can put in some of his own material, making now the best opportunity the Bulls will have all season, with six straight home games on the schedule. With assistant Bernie Bickerstaff essentially a coach-in-waiting on the Chicago payroll and already up to speed on the Bulls' personnel, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where the team might turn for an interim candidate. Even if the Bulls' management had no intention of canning Del Negro heading into the Hawks game, Wednesday's blowout has to give them pause. Yes, the Bulls are a bit short on offensive talent, especially with injuries to Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas, but they have enough quality players to avoid getting hammered every night. "If we were losing close games, you could blame the injuries," one Bull said. "But this?" That anonymous quote certainly sounds like it's from a player who wants him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 09:35 AM) Really? You think the Bulls will throw a lot of money at a coach? They spent nothing on VDN and gave him a short contract. That alone showed you just how much faith they had in the guy. They took a chance when all other options flamed out (Collins/D'Antoni). Yes, they'll spend the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 05:24 AM) Ben Gordon averaged 21 pts. 3.5 reb and 3.5 assists a game for the Bulls last year and he's in his prime. He may be an upgrade over Gordon, but its not huge, and certainly won't make the Bulls Eastern Conference contenders. I disagree completely. Joe Johnson is on a completely different level than Ben Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 03:00 PM) I disagree completely. Joe Johnson is on a completely different level than Ben Gordon Without knowing intelligently how to evaluate differences in this stat, I'll note that Gordon has a higher PER than Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 05:24 AM) Ben Gordon averaged 21 pts. 3.5 reb and 3.5 assists a game for the Bulls last year and he's in his prime. He may be an upgrade over Gordon, but its not huge, and certainly won't make the Bulls Eastern Conference contenders. Finally, some people are seeing that Johnson is not all that great in comparison to a guy like Ben. I suggest Johnson though because this team needs outside shooting and the bridges seemed to be burned to even get BG back. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 12:20 PM) That anonymous quote certainly sounds like it's from a player who wants him gone. If I had to guess, it would be Deng. He was mad during the Kobe rumors, upset with the non contract extension, had beef with BG because BG was the man on the team apparently, and Rose last year because of all the fame and hype he was getting. Deng seems like a malcontent. A quiet one, but still one. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 12:31 PM) They spent nothing on VDN and gave him a short contract. That alone showed you just how much faith they had in the guy. They took a chance when all other options flamed out (Collins/D'Antoni). Yes, they'll spend the money. This to me only shows evidence why they won't hire a big name coach. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 02:00 PM) I disagree completely. Joe Johnson is on a completely different level than Ben Gordon Negative. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Without knowing intelligently how to evaluate differences in this stat, I'll note that Gordon has a higher PER than Johnson. Affirmative. Still, we would be better suited with Johnson's outside shooting and playmaking ability than not having a shooter at that position, especially when keeping Deng around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Here's an interesting article talking about how the Bulls should scratch 2010 plans and focus on 2011: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bu...at-530am-a.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 04:21 PM) Here's an interesting article talking about how the Bulls should scratch 2010 plans and focus on 2011: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bu...at-530am-a.html Trouble is...every year you're letting someone walk for nothing, you're wasting time and potentially hurting your cap situation. TT for example is this year's FA: if someone offers him something over the MLE, which could certainly happen if he puts up decent numbers after coming back, what do you do? Do you match say a 3/$24 offer on him or do you let him walk? If you match that offer on him, then you're looking at having Deng, Hinrich and Thomas still as your key guys under contract in 2011. Then, in 2011, Noah's in the same boat. Then, in 2012...Rose. If you can pull off the "Moving Deng Miracle" or the same one for Hinrich, then all bets are off. But this dithering (And Mr. former Vice President, the word is accurate here) is a key part of how we're where we are now. We're not interested in committing to Gordon, or stepping up and making the huge move to commit on a star, or making the big offer on a coach...we're just sort of treading water, and thinking about 2011 seems like trying to tread water for longer and hoping no one throws in a brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 On a random note, boy it's good to see that Tracy McGrady leads Steve Nash in All Star voting by more than 9,000 votes for the West’s second guard spot, despite not having played yet this year. Gotta love the fan vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 05:31 AM) They spent nothing on VDN and gave him a short contract. That alone showed you just how much faith they had in the guy. They took a chance when all other options flamed out (Collins/D'Antoni). Yes, they'll spend the money. Besides Van Gundy and Collins (who'll probably stay in the broadcast booth I'd say), what coaches are out there that you could throw a lot of money at? Besides Byron Scott (who a lot of people don't like), the guy who comes to mind for me ATM is Nate McMillan, as there's been rumors of discontent in Portland, and McMillan would be an ideal candidate to target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 03:18 PM) If I had to guess, it would be Deng. He was mad during the Kobe rumors, upset with the non contract extension, had beef with BG because BG was the man on the team apparently, and Rose last year because of all the fame and hype he was getting. Deng seems like a malcontent. A quiet one, but still one. Noah was the first name that popped into my head. He is always very outspoken (tells it like it is attitude), and is basically the leader of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 04:06 PM) On a random note, boy it's good to see that Tracy McGrady leads Steve Nash in All Star voting by more than 9,000 votes for the West’s second guard spot, despite not having played yet this year. Gotta love the fan vote. Not that this means a thing, but I swear on my family that I'll NEVER, EVER watch another all-star game again if Tracy f***ing McGrady is starting. They seriously need to banish fan voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) Besides Van Gundy and Collins (who'll probably stay in the broadcast booth I'd say), what coaches are out there that you could throw a lot of money at? Besides Byron Scott (who a lot of people don't like), the guy who comes to mind for me ATM is Nate McMillan, as there's been rumors of discontent in Portland, and McMillan would be an ideal candidate to target. Avery Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 A little more closure in Ben Gordon saga. Apparently, the Bulls were going to pull the offer to Ben last summer had he accepted it even before their little deadline per KC Johnson. The Bulls benched Gordon for Chris Duhon for a season and a half. They benched him for Larry Hughes for 25 games. They offered him much less money than Luol Deng, and then took away his offer the moment he was ready to accept it. This off-season Reinsdorf was quoted as saying that Gordon wouldn't have been able to get playing time behind Rose, Hinrich, and Salmons. Gordon is arguably the best player amongst this group, and currently has the highest PER. Are the Bulls brass just delusional or are they just really disrespectful towards him? Disrespectful to him. Never understood their stance with BG. As for the pulled offer, I've heard they decided they made a mistake even offering it to him so even if he said he wanted to sign it, the offer was going to be pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 03:31 PM) Avery Johnson Hearing his press conferences alone would make it worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 04:06 PM) On a random note, boy it's good to see that Tracy McGrady leads Steve Nash in All Star voting by more than 9,000 votes for the West’s second guard spot, despite not having played yet this year. Gotta love the fan vote. I've said it once, I'll keep saying it. Fans shouldn't be allowed to vote. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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