Official 2009-2010 NBA Thread

[WilliamTell]

The Utah Jazz hold the Knicks pick this year. Unprotected.

 

Meaning I hope the Knicks DO win the lottery.

[whitesoxfan101]

The Utah Jazz hold the Knicks pick this year. Unprotected.

 

Haha the Knicks would do something like that.

[WilliamTell]

Haha the Knicks would do something like that.

 

They traded it to Phoenix in 2004 I think. Isiah Thomas traded for Stephon Marbury. Then the Suns sent it to Utah in a Tom Gugliotta trade.

[whitesoxfan101]

They traded it to Phoenix in 2004 I think. Isiah Thomas traded for Stephon Marbury. Then the Suns sent it to Utah in a Tom Gugliotta trade.

 

Ha, even better. Isiah is still haunting them.

[chw42]

They traded it to Phoenix in 2004 I think. Isiah Thomas traded for Stephon Marbury. Then the Suns sent it to Utah in a Tom Gugliotta trade.

 

So a trade in 2004 had a draft pick from 2010? That's just weird.

[WilliamTell]

Yeah, the pick kept getting pushed back because it was protected, now this is the first year it's unprotected.

 

The Salt Lake Tribune had an article about it back in November of last year.

 

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13690869?source=most_viewed

Edited February 21, 2010 by WilliamTell

[Quin]

So a trade in 2004 had a draft pick from 2010? That's just weird.

 

It's so great though, because Isiah just buried that organization for years to come, and if they don't sign multiple Max FA's this year, they will be forever screwed.

[chw42]

It's so great though, because Isiah just buried that organization for years to come, and if they don't sign multiple Max FA's this year, they will be forever screwed.

 

It was only 10 years ago that the Knicks went to the Finals. One man can screw up so much.

[southsider2k5]

I don't know if anyone has said this or not, but the Shaq/Howard Superman thing might be the dumbest grudge in all of professional sports.

[Quin]

I don't know if anyone has said this or not, but the Shaq/Howard Superman thing might be the dumbest grudge in all of professional sports.

 

This. I can't think of one that comes close.

[SockMe]

Shaq is just mad because he knows that Dwight is better and that one day Dwight could be considered the best Center of all-time.

[ZoomSlowik]

Shaq is just mad because he knows that Dwight is better and that one day Dwight could be considered the best Center of all-time.

 

Not even close. Dwight is a phenomenal finisher, but he has pretty much no post moves and is an abysmal shooter. He's good, but nowhere close to historically good yet, not with his struggles to consistently score 20 and his high turnover rates.

[knightni]

Abdul-Jabbar, Chamberlain and Russell were far superior. Even Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson and Duncan are better.

[MHizzle85]

Shaq is just mad because he knows that Dwight is better and that one day Dwight could be considered the best Center of all-time.

Let's not say things we can't take back.

[DBAHO]

Not even close. Dwight is a phenomenal finisher, but he has pretty much no post moves and is an abysmal shooter. He's good, but nowhere close to historically good yet, not with his struggles to consistently score 20 and his high turnover rates.

Dwight's post game is actually quite decent now, he's got the running hook, the baseline spin move, and he can hit the bank shot ALA Duncan.

 

1st half of the season, the Magic hardly gave him the ball, but thankfully they are now and his numbers are starting to get back on par

 

I think we showed today that a Magic vs. Cavs series in the playoffs would be very interesting to watch once again.

[ZoomSlowik]

Dwight's post game is actually quite decent now, he's got the running hook, the baseline spin move, and he can hit the bank shot ALA Duncan.

 

1st half of the season, the Magic hardly gave him the ball, but thankfully they are now and his numbers are starting to get back on par

 

I think we showed today that a Magic vs. Cavs series in the playoffs would be very interesting to watch once again.

 

Making the moves and converting them at a decent rate are two different things. Basically every scouting report and the stats say he's sub-par if he's not right at the rim. He only makes 42% of his shots in the under 10 foot range (not counting the at the rim data), which is low when compared to guys like Duncan (49.7), Jefferson (51), Stoudemire (52.8), Boozer (47.4), Lopez (47.7), Bosh (50.9), ect.

 

He's still the best center in the league right now without a dependable post arsenal, but when comparing him to other elite centers historically it definitely hurts his case.

[SockMe]

Dwight still has 16 good years left in him and hes already played 7. He'll be right up there as one of the best.

[WilliamTell]

Dwight still has 16 good years left in him and hes already played 7. He'll be right up there as one of the best.

 

I think Dwights in his 6th year actually, and you're assuming he'll play until he's 40. He very well could, but that's so long from now. Many things can happen.

[SoxAce]

I think Dwights in his 6th year actually, and you're assuming he'll play until he's 40. He very well could, but that's so long from now. Many things can happen.

 

Agreed. Hell if Oden wasn't made of glass, who knows how good (or better) he would had been compared to Howard. Shaq was the most dominant center I've ever seen in my life. Regardless of what Howard does, IMO, he will never be as scary as Shaq was in his prime. I still think Howard will get a ring or more, but who knows how long hes got to dominate (Shaq was what 35 when he won with Miami?) Whose to say there isn't a dominant center we might see in 3-5 years down the line. Oden was suppose to be that guy, but injuries have really killed him. I thought Derrick Rose was gonna be the most athletic PG to come out for like 10+ years (still could be actually) and now you got a guy like John Wall comming, who could be even more athletic. You just never know what can happen in the future.

[knightni]

"Domination" does not equal greatness alone. Anyone can bully their way into a dunk if they are huge. It takes skill and athleticism to be a well rounded great player.

 

This is why I am not a fan of Amar'e. He has absolutely no ability besides dunking.

[Quin]

Agreed. Hell if Oden wasn't made of glass, who knows how good (or better) he would had been compared to Howard. Shaq was the most dominant center I've ever seen in my life. Regardless of what Howard does, IMO, he will never be as scary as Shaq was in his prime. I still think Howard will get a ring or more, but who knows how long hes got to dominate (Shaq was what 35 when he won with Miami?) Whose to say there isn't a dominant center we might see in 3-5 years down the line. Oden was suppose to be that guy, but injuries have really killed him. I thought Derrick Rose was gonna be the most athletic PG to come out for like 10+ years (still could be actually) and now you got a guy like John Wall comming, who could be even more athletic. You just never know what can happen in the future.

 

I'd like Noah to be that dominant center .

 

If his sky-hook ends up become a sure thing, he could be, but thats extreme optimism.

[Felix]

Whose to say there isn't a dominant center we might see in 3-5 years down the line.

Two words: Ryan Hollins.

 

Yeah, that's right. He might only have two more rebounds (149) than fouls (147) this year, but damnit, he's going to be that new dominant center!!!!!!!!1

 

Also, on an unrelated note, if you need any more proof that +/- is a terrible stat, just look at tonight's Timberwolves line: Darko Milicic was +35 coming off the bench. I didn't watch the game, but something tells me that doesn't truly show Darko's value tonight. That being said, I love the addition of him. Perfect low-risk move that adds a big body to our front court to play with Jefferson/Love. Now if only Hollins could be benched...

Edited February 22, 2010 by Felix

[SoxFan1]

Two words: Ryan Hollins.

 

Yeah, that's right. He might only have two more rebounds (149) than fouls (147) this year, but damnit, he's going to be that new dominant center!!!!!!!!1

 

Also, on an unrelated note, if you need any more proof that +/- is a terrible stat, just look at tonight's Timberwolves line: Darko Milicic was +35 coming off the bench. I didn't watch the game, but something tells me that doesn't truly show Darko's value tonight. That being said, I love the addition of him. Perfect low-risk move that adds a big body to our front court to play with Jefferson/Love. Now if only Hollins could be benched...

From everything I've read, he was pretty damn good off the bench in 19 minutes. Something like 8 pts, 8 boards, a block and 2 assists.

[Felix]

From everything I've read, he was pretty damn good off the bench in 19 minutes. Something like 8 pts, 8 boards, a block and 2 assists.

Oh, definitely. And if he can keep that up, it'd be great. But that being said, nothing anyone can say will convince me that he was the best player on the court for the Wolves last night

[Steve9347]

Shaq is just mad because he knows that Dwight is better and that one day Dwight could be considered the best Center of all-time.

This post is filled with epic fail.

 

Wow, Dwight is better than a 38 year old who is 350 lbs. What an accomplishment.

 

Then there's the whole issue with, you know, like Bill Russell, Kareem, Wilt... Dwight puts up stats but he can't compare to Diesel or any of these four. I am also sooo taking Tim Duncan over Dwight.

Edited February 22, 2010 by Steve9347