Rowand44 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 A mid first round pick and an expiring contract for Tyrus? Yes, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 04:41 PM) A mid first round pick and an expiring contract for Tyrus? Yes, please. I will go ahead and state this very clearly now. I don't even care if he becomes a star player wherever he lands. He was never going to amount to anything here in Chicago, and he is just a waste of space, plus a ticking timebomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 05:47 PM) I will go ahead and state this very clearly now. I don't even care if he becomes a star player wherever he lands. He was never going to amount to anything here in Chicago, and he is just a waste of space, plus a ticking timebomb. I completely agree with you're statement but we have absolutely nothing to worry about, Tyrus will never be anything near a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 05:48 PM) I completely agree with you're statement but we have absolutely nothing to worry about, Tyrus will never be anything near a superstar. I approve of this message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) I approve of this message. At this stage, even I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Town Sox Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) I still believe T2 can be a superstar (he does have a LOT of work to do.) He has only played organized basketball for around 6 years, everyone knew he was a project coming out of the draft. If he puts up the minutes that, say, Gerald Wallace does in a game - he could've been an all star this year. He just needs to stick to hanging around the basket and not take those awful jumpshots at awful times (which he will most likely stop doing when he leaves the Bulls.) Obviously, he needs to adjust the attitude as well Edit: Forgot to add in not to get injured this year Edited February 15, 2010 by Chi Town Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Out of general curiosity, I was wondering why people never mention Chicago when talking about where Lebron James is looking next summer? Are there specific reasons why it's not a reality, or is it just because everyone is speculating that if it's not Cleveland, then it's NJ or NY? I'm not arguing that he should come to Chicago or anything, just wondering why it's never mentioned as a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 QUOTE (Sox72 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 06:55 PM) Out of general curiosity, I was wondering why people never mention Chicago when talking about where Lebron James is looking next summer? Are there specific reasons why it's not a reality, or is it just because everyone is speculating that if it's not Cleveland, then it's NJ or NY? I'm not arguing that he should come to Chicago or anything, just wondering why it's never mentioned as a possibility. Probably a lot of reasons. First, he'd always be in someone else's shadow. He'd also be changing numbers. The big one though is the contracts. While he could probably play PF, having Deng alongside him is really a poor setup. Which means we'd need to find a way to move Deng. Which is already difficult enough, and which would be more difficult if we suddenly HAD to move him. Why would he necessarily want to go through that when so many other teams can offer him the spot wide open already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) Probably a lot of reasons. First, he'd always be in someone else's shadow. He'd also be changing numbers. The big one though is the contracts. While he could probably play PF, having Deng alongside him is really a poor setup. Which means we'd need to find a way to move Deng. Which is already difficult enough, and which would be more difficult if we suddenly HAD to move him. Why would he necessarily want to go through that when so many other teams can offer him the spot wide open already. Riiight. That makes some sense. And gives a little more backing to why Wade and Bosh are always mentioned, besides the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 03:57 PM) Probably a lot of reasons. First, he'd always be in someone else's shadow. He'd also be changing numbers. The big one though is the contracts. While he could probably play PF, having Deng alongside him is really a poor setup. Which means we'd need to find a way to move Deng. Which is already difficult enough, and which would be more difficult if we suddenly HAD to move him. Why would he necessarily want to go through that when so many other teams can offer him the spot wide open already. If Chicago can get Lebron they will. It is just widely believed he isn't interested in coming to Chicago. Peter Vessey disagrees and thinks that the Bulls are his most likely destination if he doesn't stay in Cleveland. And Deng is no concern, I could care less who is on our team, LBJ is the best in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 09:15 PM) If Chicago can get Lebron they will. It is just widely believed he isn't interested in coming to Chicago. Peter Vessey disagrees and thinks that the Bulls are his most likely destination if he doesn't stay in Cleveland. And Deng is no concern, I could care less who is on our team, LBJ is the best in the game. Exactly. I see the point that you're trying to make, Balta, but there is absolutely no way you don't go after Lebron James because of Luol Deng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) I love the idea of adding first round picks to go along with the free agents we can sign. It really helps us get deeper for the forseeable future. They just have to get at least one of the big guys in free agency. If the Timberwolves give up a first rounder for Thomas, I will be very, very disappointed. I actually think Kahn has done a pretty good job with the team right now, but trading picks in what is looking like a very deep draft for a questionable player like Thomas would be stupid. Especially since we've already got two power forwards, neither of whom Thomas would compliment particularly well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) Probably a lot of reasons. First, he'd always be in someone else's shadow. He'd also be changing numbers. The big one though is the contracts. While he could probably play PF, having Deng alongside him is really a poor setup. Which means we'd need to find a way to move Deng. Which is already difficult enough, and which would be more difficult if we suddenly HAD to move him. Why would he necessarily want to go through that when so many other teams can offer him the spot wide open already. He's changing numbers anyway. If it were about championships solely, he'd pick the Bulls, and would probably play PF. The reason is, if you put the Bulls and Cavs rosters side by side minus LeBron, the Bulls are waaay better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 If it were about championships, he'd probably stay with Cleveland. I'd disagree that the Bulls are way better than Cleveland without Lebron also. Cleveland has more depth, especially in the frontcourt, although obviously Rose is the best player from either squad (cue the Cavs saying Mo Williams is UNDERRATED!!! again). They also have a much better head coach, although I'd be interested to see who the Bulls could get (won't be George Karl unfortunately Jason as he re-signed with the Nuggets for a further season the other day IIRC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) If it were about championships, he'd probably stay with Cleveland. I'd disagree that the Bulls are way better than Cleveland without Lebron also. Cleveland has more depth, especially in the frontcourt, although obviously Rose is the best player from either squad (cue the Cavs saying Mo Williams is UNDERRATED!!! again). They also have a much better head coach, although I'd be interested to see who the Bulls could get (won't be George Karl unfortunately Jason as he re-signed with the Nuggets for a further season the other day IIRC). Right now Id say Rose, Deng, and Noah are all better than anyone on that team outside of Lebron. Depth is nice and all but in playoffs you only go 6-7 deep anyways and that starting roster would have no prob getting to playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) They also have a much better head coach, although I'd be interested to see who the Bulls could get (won't be George Karl unfortunately Jason as he re-signed with the Nuggets for a further season the other day IIRC). I'm not saying VDN is a good coach, but Mike Brown isn't exactly a great coach or anything. He gets away with a lot just because he's got LeBron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 02:45 PM) Right now Id say Rose, Deng, and Noah are all better than anyone on that team outside of Lebron. Depth is nice and all but in playoffs you only go 6-7 deep anyways and that starting roster would have no prob getting to playoffs. Well if they get Amare in the next couple of days, that argument is moot. I'd still argue that Cleveland would be a playoff team in the East, even without Lebron (and that's partly because the bottom half of the Eastern Conference sucks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Felix @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 09:50 PM) I'm not saying VDN is a good coach, but Mike Brown isn't exactly a great coach or anything. He gets away with a lot just because he's got LeBron. Your correct, but he is still miles better than VDN. Sucks to hear about Karl, but I would love to see us land Byron Scott. (job he did with CP3 from his rookie year on, was amazing and even CP3 credited Scott) I still feel Derrick has lost some development from the VDN regime, especially playing in a half court set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 RicBucher Source says Clippers have dealt Marcus Camby for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake. Details and deeper confirmation to follow on the mothership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Felix @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 10:50 PM) I'm not saying VDN is a good coach, but Mike Brown isn't exactly a great coach or anything. He gets away with a lot just because he's got LeBron. I really think Mike Brown is a lousy coach. They could do a WAY better job utilizing LeBron, and Brown got pansted in the ECF last year by Stan Van Gundy. Edited February 16, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 12:13 AM) RicBucher Source says Clippers have dealt Marcus Camby for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake. Details and deeper confirmation to follow on the mothership. Wow.. Great trade for Portland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 09:26 PM) Exactly. I see the point that you're trying to make, Balta, but there is absolutely no way you don't go after Lebron James because of Luol Deng. It's not that the Bulls wouldn't get Lebron because of Deng, it's that Lebron wouldn't want to come here as much as a place that had a better opening for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 07:56 AM) It's not that the Bulls wouldn't get Lebron because of Deng, it's that Lebron wouldn't want to come here as much as a place that had a better opening for him. I doubt a guy who is the best in the league at his position is worried about Deng. If he wanted to play in Chicago, that isn't something that would stop him. Its not like he is going to lose playing time to him or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 08:59 AM) I doubt a guy who is the best in the league at his position is worried about Deng. If he wanted to play in Chicago, that isn't something that would stop him. Its not like he is going to lose playing time to him or something. It's not about losing playing time, it's about how much the other guy's contract affects the team's roster flexibility. If your single goal is to win a championship, and you had to compare a team with a bad contract at your position running through 2013 with a team that only had 1 remaining bad contract that ended in 2011 (i.e. the Knicks), which would you choose? The latter has much more flexibility to build. Especially if the cap takes a major drop in the next CBA, where his contract suddenly becomes much more immovable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Heat are looking for a third team to make an Amare deal work. Saw this possible trade posted on another board and it seemed to make sense for everyone. Suns get: Rudy Gay and Quentin Richardson Heat get: Amare Grizzlies get: Michael Beasley Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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