clujer420 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Naive is not necessarily a bad thing at his age. He still has plenty of time to become a jaded, cynical smartass like me. Let him stay naive for a bit longer, let him believe in honesty and decency. I don't believe in innocence and naivté, I didn't when I was kid, nor with with my kids, nor with my grandson, who is 8. In fact I took the grandson to John Wayne Gacy's old homesite last week and discussed not letting strangers get close to you is not a trite saying but survival and street smarts. Being cynical can come later, but there is a place where one is aware and street smart without being naivé nor cynical. Unless a kid knows there is dishonest and indeceny out there as well as honesty and decency, there is greater potential for trouble. And we talked about how to tell the difference. And no I didn't go into Gacy details, just generalities, he is too young for that, just be aware, be very aware. And never buy into image or superficialities. Introducing an 8 year old to that crap? Nice. What ever happened to letting a kid be a kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Naive is not necessarily a bad thing at his age. He still has plenty of time to become a jaded, cynical smartass like me. Let him stay naive for a bit longer, let him believe in honesty and decency. I don't believe in innocence and naivté, I didn't when I was kid, nor with with my kids, nor with my grandson, who is 8. In fact I took the grandson to John Wayne Gacy's old homesite last week and discussed not letting strangers get close to you is not a trite saying but survival and street smarts. Being cynical can come later, but there is a place where one is aware and street smart without being naivé nor cynical. Unless a kid knows there is dishonest and indeceny out there as well as honesty and decency, there is greater potential for trouble. And we talked about how to tell the difference. And no I didn't go into Gacy details, just generalities, he is too young for that, just be aware, be very aware. And never buy into image or superficialities. Dare i say that i agree with you 100 percent on this one? Well except i doubt id go to that extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Naive is not necessarily a bad thing at his age. He still has plenty of time to become a jaded, cynical smartass like me. Let him stay naive for a bit longer, let him believe in honesty and decency. I don't believe in innocence and naivté, I didn't when I was kid, nor with with my kids, nor with my grandson, who is 8. In fact I took the grandson to John Wayne Gacy's old homesite last week and discussed not letting strangers get close to you is not a trite saying but survival and street smarts. Being cynical can come later, but there is a place where one is aware and street smart without being naivé nor cynical. Unless a kid knows there is dishonest and indeceny out there as well as honesty and decency, there is greater potential for trouble. And we talked about how to tell the difference. And no I didn't go into Gacy details, just generalities, he is too young for that, just be aware, be very aware. And never buy into image or superficialities. Dare i say that i agree with you 100 percent on this one? Well except i doubt id go to that extreme. The whole "don't talk to strangers" thing is passe I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Naive is not necessarily a bad thing at his age. He still has plenty of time to become a jaded, cynical smartass like me. Let him stay naive for a bit longer, let him believe in honesty and decency. I don't believe in innocence and naivté, I didn't when I was kid, nor with with my kids, nor with my grandson, who is 8. In fact I took the grandson to John Wayne Gacy's old homesite last week and discussed not letting strangers get close to you is not a trite saying but survival and street smarts. Being cynical can come later, but there is a place where one is aware and street smart without being naivé nor cynical. Unless a kid knows there is dishonest and indeceny out there as well as honesty and decency, there is greater potential for trouble. And we talked about how to tell the difference. And no I didn't go into Gacy details, just generalities, he is too young for that, just be aware, be very aware. And never buy into image or superficialities. Dare i say that i agree with you 100 percent on this one? Well except i doubt id go to that extreme. The whole "don't talk to strangers" thing is passe I guess. Yeah i had to retract a little. I wouldnt take a child to JWG house. Thats a little ummm well a LOT weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Naive is not necessarily a bad thing at his age. He still has plenty of time to become a jaded, cynical smartass like me. Let him stay naive for a bit longer, let him believe in honesty and decency. I don't believe in innocence and naivté, I didn't when I was kid, nor with with my kids, nor with my grandson, who is 8. In fact I took the grandson to John Wayne Gacy's old homesite last week and discussed not letting strangers get close to you is not a trite saying but survival and street smarts. Being cynical can come later, but there is a place where one is aware and street smart without being naivé nor cynical. Unless a kid knows there is dishonest and indeceny out there as well as honesty and decency, there is greater potential for trouble. And we talked about how to tell the difference. And no I didn't go into Gacy details, just generalities, he is too young for that, just be aware, be very aware. And never buy into image or superficialities. Dare i say that i agree with you 100 percent on this one? Well except i doubt id go to that extreme. The whole "don't talk to strangers" thing is passe I guess. Yeah i had to retract a little. I wouldnt take a child to JWG house. Thats a little ummm well a LOT weird. Indeed. A child should not be exposed to anything resembling that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Clu..when the hell do you sleep, bro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Clu..when the hell do you sleep, bro? LOL...today I haven't yet. I got home from work at around 6. Then I went and worked out for about an hour or so, then I made the fatal error of checking the board before I went to sleep. 2 hours later, I was pretty sick of the whole Kobe case, and now I'm listening to some tunes and getting groggier and groggier by the minute. Luckily, I'm off today and tomorrow, so I can afford to stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 LOL...today I haven't yet. I got home from work at around 6. Then I went and worked out for about an hour or so, then I made the fatal error of checking the board before I went to sleep. 2 hours later, I was pretty sick of the whole Kobe case, and now I'm listening to some tunes and getting groggier and groggier by the minute. Luckily, I'm off today and tomorrow, so I can afford to stay up. Ahhh ok i figured so. I shouldnt talk. I slept 2 hours last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Introducing an 8 year old to that crap? Nice. What ever happened to letting a kid be a kid? My kid is a kid. And 35 kids ended up dead because they were far too trusting. We live in a world where people snatch children - come give me directions, come want some candy, come your mama told me to pick you up, come you want some grass? We had a very long discussion - and in learning, the visual is often more important than the verbal, or at least important in a supplemental way to reinforce. We discuss everything. He is damn lucky to have someone who talks to and tells him the way of the world. You don't like the way I raise my grandson? That's too bad, isn't it. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance kills. And I prefer the way my grandson looks at reality than some other people who I see posting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Introducing an 8 year old to that crap? Nice. What ever happened to letting a kid be a kid? My kid is a kid. And 35 kids ended up dead because they were far too trusting. We live in a world where people snatch children - come give me directions, come want some candy, come your mama told me to pick you up, come you want some grass? We had a very long discussion - and in learning, the visual is often more important than the verbal, or at least important in a supplemental way to reinforce. We discuss everything. He is damn lucky to have someone who talks to and tells him the way of the world. You don't like the way I raise my grandson? That's too bad, isn't it. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance kills. And I prefer the way my grandson looks at reality than some other people who I see posting here. CW i agree(to a point) and i do have a feeling you are a very good grandfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Introducing an 8 year old to that crap? Nice. What ever happened to letting a kid be a kid? My kid is a kid. And 35 kids ended up dead because they were far too trusting. We live in a world where people snatch children - come give me directions, come want some candy, come your mama told me to pick you up, come you want some grass? We had a very long discussion - and in learning, the visual is often more important than the verbal, or at least important in a supplemental way to reinforce. We discuss everything. He is damn lucky to have someone who talks to and tells him the way of the world. You don't like the way I raise my grandson? That's too bad, isn't it. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance kills. And I prefer the way my grandson looks at reality than some other people who I see posting here. I prefer to let someone come to their own conclusions -- not force my views upon them. But, to each his/her own. Teach the kid good values...don't take him to a serial killers' home. BTW, it was "only" 33, not 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 There is a difference between being a fool and believing in the good of people. If you can't see which one I was getting at, I don't care. I don't feel the need to explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndySoxFan Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Introducing an 8 year old to that crap? Nice. What ever happened to letting a kid be a kid? My kid is a kid. And 35 kids ended up dead because they were far too trusting. We live in a world where people snatch children - come give me directions, come want some candy, come your mama told me to pick you up, come you want some grass? We had a very long discussion - and in learning, the visual is often more important than the verbal, or at least important in a supplemental way to reinforce. We discuss everything. He is damn lucky to have someone who talks to and tells him the way of the world. You don't like the way I raise my grandson? That's too bad, isn't it. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance kills. And I prefer the way my grandson looks at reality than some other people who I see posting here. hey... are you going to take him to the place where that old guy in michigan got his car torched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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