Chisoxfn Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 9, 2009 -> 11:32 AM) Kane never had to take any tests because there was no rule that he had to go to college before he entered the NHL. Personally I find theft and assault worse than cheating, but thats just me. Ya, this is pathetic. If true, a big f*** You goes out to Kane and he should get booed out of arenas everywhere. What a jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I don't know much about this James Kane character... but if he's rubbing bad stuff off on Patrick, they should stop hanging out. He probably bought him alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 03:00 PM) I'm far from a Kane fan, and most people that read this thread probably know that, but that is taking it a little too far. 1. He is a 20 year old kid. While not a reason to be a douche, we all have done stupid things at that age, while sober, let alone intoxicated. 2.The cab drivers lawyer came out today and said this has been blown out of proportion. You would expect to hear that out of the lawyer for Kane, but not the cab driver. It may not be as bad as we all think Is he a D-bag for even being in this situation? Ya, he is. However, if his act stays clean for a while(like I expect it to), it needs to be let go at some point. How can you not see right through that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) How can you not see right through that? The part from the cab drivers lawyer is saying.. sounds like he is trolling for a pay off for the cab driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) How can you not see right through that? Yeah, you don't wait around to find the guy's attorney and hand him a check with multiple zeroes. Cmon Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 What I don't understand about this whole thing is why did he want change in the first place? Apparently he can't afford to tip a cabbie $1.20. If I'm paying a cab fare like that, I give the guy $15 and say "thanks." I don't want change, unless I'm a cheap ass bastard (and that's coming from a broke college student). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (dasox24 @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 01:49 AM) What I don't understand about this whole thing is why did he want change in the first place? Apparently he can't afford to tip a cabbie $1.20. If I'm paying a cab fare like that, I give the guy $15 and say "thanks." I don't want change, unless I'm a cheap ass bastard (and that's coming from a broke college student). My guess is they took offense to being locked in the cab until they paid, so there was no way they were going to tip the guy. Still, though, you chalk the 20 cents up to a bad experience and you don't hit the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 FYI, innocent until proven guilty. I have avoided commenting on this subject until more was known. Kane's lawyer has come out just this morning on ESPN1000 talking about irrefutable proof that the cab driver was not struck by the Kane boys. I'm waiting for more as we go on, but I tend to not believe that a multi-millionaire like Kane would hit someone over 20 cents. Hell, we don't even know if he was drinking yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Update: just listened to it. - No alcohol involved - Cab driver has said nothing about pressing charges, just wants money - Pat Kane did not touch the cab driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well, now I'm bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 10:23 AM) Update: just listened to it. - No alcohol involved - Cab driver has said nothing about pressing charges, just wants money - Pat Kane did not touch the cab driver Also the driver locked the guys in the cab, didnt have a valid drivers license and has an arrest record. But, keep on keepin on with calling Kane a thug and hoping he doesnt get re-signed folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 What a thug that Kaner is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 11:11 AM) What a thug that Kaner is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 12:00 PM) Also the driver locked the guys in the cab, didnt have a valid drivers license and has an arrest record. But, keep on keepin on with calling Kane a thug and hoping he doesnt get re-signed folks. Who called Kane a Thug? I only said he is, if the story is accurate. Also, If the Cabbie is getting money, you better believe Kane put his hands on him. Too many blanks in this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 11:42 AM) Who called Kane a Thug? I only said he is, if the story is accurate. Also, If the Cabbie is getting money, you better believe Kane put his hands on him. Too many blanks in this story. Last I saw, the Cabbie is going to be lucky if he doesnt face charges, I dont see any payoffs in his future. He locked the doors of the cab which is unlawful imprisonment which deems any acts of self defense legal. Second he didnt even have a valid drives license which makes it unlawful for him to drive a cab or operate as a licensed cab operator, therefore his asking for a fare in the first place was illegal. Edited August 11, 2009 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) What are you trying to say Steve? He must not be a Thug because he does not look like a Thug? What does a thug look like? Maybe a little darker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 12:56 PM) Last I saw, the Cabbie is going to be lucky if he doesnt face charges, I dont see any payoffs in his future. He locked the doors of the cab which is unlawful imprisonment which deems any acts of self defense legal. Second he didnt even have a valid drives license which makes it unlawful for him to drive a cab or operate as a licensed cab operator, therefore his asking for a fare in the first place was illegal. If the Cabbie gets no money, then I know for sure Kane is innocent. I'll be a little suspicious if any payoffs took place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Two wrongs dont make a right. Im generally one of the most pro-defendant people on this site, but in this case I just cant find it in my heart to exonerate Kane. Yesterday I actually misinterpreted the article and thought that it was Kane's attorney who stated it had been blow out of proportion (the comments just made no sense if he was the Plaintiff's attorney), but once I actually understood the article I told people that the cab driver must either A) Have done something wrong or B) Have already been paid off. I think what the cab driver did though, does not give Kane an excuse to attack him. He locked the doors of the cab which is unlawful imprisonment which deems any acts of self defense legal Care to cite NY case law that states that? Im not a NY attorney so I dont know if thats true or not, I do know that there is a merchants exception to "false imprisonment", so I actually was not 100% sure whether or not the cab driver has a legal right to hold some one if they refuse to pay the fare (in my opinion its the equivalent of theft, and if a merchant can hold some one for a reasonable amount of time if they believe theft occurred, it makes sense that a cab driver can do the same.) But Im just not sure thats accurate. As for not being properly licensed, that would once again be an issue for the State of NY and/or City of Buffalo to decide. At the end of the day there are very few instances where you can legitimately attack some one without provocation. If Kane gets off, he should be thankful. The cab driver made a mistake by driving without a valid license, but that does not mean Kane had the right to attack him. The false imprisonment issue is not as clear as people want to make it out to be, and it would require actually going through NY case law to see if there has been a case where a cab driver has temporarily held the passenger for failing to pay a fare and whether or not that was considered an exception. The next step would then be to see what the law says in regards to self defense in cases of false imprisonment. I think it sets a bad example regardless, but then again I take cabs 5+ times a week and on a $5 fare I generally give at least $1. So maybe its just the cheapness thats bothering me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Kaner got some major street cred for this one huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) Care to cite NY case law that states that? No, its in the Sun Times, you can pick up a copy. And Kane didnt assault or rob anyone, so im not sure what "wrongs" you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 By the time this is over, the cabbie will have tried to run Kane over, only to crash and have Patrick pull him out of his burning cab (and that's where the facial scratches will have come from). Kane also will have tried to give 20 cents back to the cabbie after the coins fell out of the cabbie's pocket during the rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Rock, Thanks for taking the time to actually make an argument and then support it. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blac...-081109.article I cant find it in the article, and the writer of the article does not seem to be an attorney so Im not sure how much weight his interpretation carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 02:39 PM) Rock, Thanks for taking the time to actually make an argument and then support it. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blac...-081109.article I cant find it in the article, and the writer of the article does not seem to be an attorney so Im not sure how much weight his interpretation carries. Should I also reference my sources professor? Like I said, go pick up a copy, I didnt read it online, I read it over eggs and breakfast potatoes at Wishbone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (The Critic @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 02:09 PM) By the time this is over, the cabbie will have tried to run Kane over, only to crash and have Patrick pull him out of his burning cab (and that's where the facial scratches will have come from). Kane also will have tried to give 20 cents back to the cabbie after the coins fell out of the cabbie's pocket during the rescue. All while dangling through the Red Wings D for an OT goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Should I also reference my sources professor? Or.. don't mess with a lawyer wouldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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