YASNY Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I read on the wepages of one of the Chicago papers that the Sox believe it will be Rupe and Webster that the Rangers select. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delben91 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I read on the wepages of one of the Chicago papers that the Sox believe it will be Rupe and Webster that the Rangers select. Yeah, it says in the Tribune that the Rangers seem to like Webster, Rupe, and Malone. (See about halfway through the article). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Well if they took Webster and Malone I'd be just fine with that. Sox keep Rupe and Pacheco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 The one thing that you can say about kw is that he tries to get things to happen. 2001-David Wells 2002-Todd Ritchie 2003-Bartolo Colon Earlier this month-Alomar and Everett He doesn't just sit around and wait for his team to get better. He goes out and takes gambles and makes things interesting. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses, but he shows that he cares. I'd love to see what Williams could do if he had a decent size payroll. I really think the Sox could have a fantastic team. Oh ya, Yanks payroll is 180 million. For cripes sake that is freaking ridiculous. They are like two small market teams more then the New York Mets (2nd Highest). This is absolutely ridiculous. Its unfair for fans of every other team. Somehow they need to get a cap when the next bargaining agreement comes up. There's almost no way they'll ever be a hard cap IMO The luxury tax just has to be ridiculously large for every dollar over a certain amount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 The one thing that you can say about kw is that he tries to get things to happen. 2001-David Wells 2002-Todd Ritchie 2003-Bartolo Colon Earlier this month-Alomar and Everett He doesn't just sit around and wait for his team to get better. He goes out and takes gambles and makes things interesting. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses, but he shows that he cares. I'd love to see what Williams could do if he had a decent size payroll. I really think the Sox could have a fantastic team. Oh ya, Yanks payroll is 180 million. For cripes sake that is freaking ridiculous. They are like two small market teams more then the New York Mets (2nd Highest). This is absolutely ridiculous. Its unfair for fans of every other team. Somehow they need to get a cap when the next bargaining agreement comes up. There's almost no way they'll ever be a hard cap IMO The luxury tax just has to be ridiculously large for every dollar over a certain amount I'd just want a Soft Cap, ala the NBA. And a Dollar for Dollar Luxury Tax. Their should also be a minimum cap at around 45 mill. And its based on an avg salary, so teams could unload and go young for a few years, but they'd eventually have to get it back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 The one thing that you can say about kw is that he tries to get things to happen. 2001-David Wells 2002-Todd Ritchie 2003-Bartolo Colon Earlier this month-Alomar and Everett He doesn't just sit around and wait for his team to get better. He goes out and takes gambles and makes things interesting. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses, but he shows that he cares. I'd love to see what Williams could do if he had a decent size payroll. I really think the Sox could have a fantastic team. Oh ya, Yanks payroll is 180 million. For cripes sake that is freaking ridiculous. They are like two small market teams more then the New York Mets (2nd Highest). This is absolutely ridiculous. Its unfair for fans of every other team. Somehow they need to get a cap when the next bargaining agreement comes up. There's almost no way they'll ever be a hard cap IMO The luxury tax just has to be ridiculously large for every dollar over a certain amount I'd just want a Soft Cap, ala the NBA. And a Dollar for Dollar Luxury Tax. Their should also be a minimum cap at around 45 mill. And its based on an avg salary, so teams could unload and go young for a few years, but they'd eventually have to get it back up. Good point, because you have to force teams to actually spend some money instead of just collecting from everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSox35 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 i still say it was a good deal as long as we dont give up cotts, honel, or reed those seem to be our best prospects reed had 44 walks and 17 strikeouts in A before being called up to AA thats pretty impressive and that makes webster more available in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 i still say it was a good deal as long as we dont give up cotts, honel, or reed those seem to be our best prospects reed had 44 walks and 17 strikeouts in A before being called up to AA thats pretty impressive and that makes webster more available in my mind Plus the Sox drafted King, Nanita, Anderson and Sweeney all talented outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearso66 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 actually, if we still had kip wells, and josh fogg, no way would we have loaiza now. So you're saying we are still hurting from it from not having those 2, but I think we are actually in a better situation. Loaiza will give you about as many wins as those 2 combined, just a couple less. Plus you get one other pitcher in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Just remember this, Josh Fogg would never of made it out of the bullpen with the Sox if that. I just don't think this organizatoin thought much of him and I don't think he would of gotten the shot. The trade gave him an opportunity and he has made his best out of it. I still don't think Fogg is all that great, Wells was the only one to really miss in the deal. I never thought Ritchie would do as bad as he did, although I was never a huge fan of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Jason, regarding Fogg you have come up with a knack of reverse clairvoyance. I don't understand how you can come up with a theory that Fogg would NEVER have made it out of the bullpen had he stayed with the Sox in 2002. Both Biddle and Wright, for example, came up slightly before Fogg, were given some starting opportunities, and were anything but lights out. They continued to start on a sporadic basis in 2002 with very mixed results. Fogg came up at the end of 2001, pitched in relief, and not only was he effective, but he looked absolutely fearless out there. Had he stayed with the Sox he would have gone to ST in 2002, probably made the team, gotten his inevitable chances, and would have certainly started a few games, especially since Ritchie would not have been there. Even Gary Glover got 20 some starts in 2002, and he was awful. After that, everything is conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 You may be right. I just noticed how Fogg pitched really good right at the end of the season after he came up, but the Sox never really talked about him like he was the future. Actually you are right, I take back my comments. Having to suffer through watching Glover and Ritchie for as long as we did, you'd have to think they would of tried Fogg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 My understanding is that Texas will take either Yan or Webster, plus one or two pitchers, depending on which they take. Apparently they really like Malone. They think he could be the closest to the Majors and with the most upside if they can turn him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delben91 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 My understanding is that Texas will take either Yan or Webster, plus one or two pitchers, depending on which they take. Apparently they really like Malone. They think he could be the closest to the Majors and with the most upside if they can turn him around. As far as Malone goes, Texas is welcome to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 As far as Malone goes, Texas is welcome to try. An addendum to that is that i think if they take Malone, then they cannot take a second pitcher so it would be either Yan and Malone or Webster and Malone. My final guess is Yan, Pacheco and Rupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 An addendum to that is that i think if they take Malone, then they cannot take a second pitcher so it would be either Yan and Malone or Webster and Malone. My final guess is Yan, Pacheco and Rupe. Also if they take Webster they can only take one other guy. I'd really be happy if they took Malone and Webster or Yan. Rupe is gonna be a damn good prospect as he advances and I like Pacheco so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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