Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 eh, if you get creamed by a truck there is not a good chance any car is going to make it out ok, SUV or sedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. Yeah, people who laugh at the Socialism or Communism comparisons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Did you just come out in favor of child labor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. Yeah, people who laugh at the Socialism or Communism comparisons... Ones which actually apply: #2 - This is true but it's not something that's exclusive to socialism. The idea came about before that. #5 - Put this in the "to be determined" category but again, ideas like this were floated in like the 1830s. Karl Marx was probably in high school or college at the time. #10 - Absolutely true but not sure what's wrong with it (except for the last part, probably talking about trade schools which people have to pay for themselves). The rest are bulls*** that people grasp at straws to try to prove that the government is taking everything over. The only other thing that sort of resembles socialism/Marxism from most liberals is the idea of social equality (in terms of opportunity, not quality of life), and who in their right mind could say there is something bad about that? That's probably one of the most American ideals there is. Edited July 21, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 11:38 AM) Actual safety test data. Why would I buy a "smart" car with almost no room in it and some safety questions that gets mileage more or less in the 30's, when I can buy a Prius with much more room and 50 mpg and lower emissions for roughly the same money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) I don't like the taste of beer, I guess that counts. Couldn't agree more, and I guarantee our opinion is VERY unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:02 PM) Why would I buy a "smart" car with almost no room in it and some safety questions that gets mileage more or less in the 30's, when I can buy a Prius with much more room and 50 mpg and lower emissions for roughly the same money? Because the Prius is so 2007. I really do not see the appeal of the Smart car. It's not very practical, its not particularly efficient, and it isn't exactly cheap, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) Because the Prius is so 2007. I really do not see the appeal of the Smart car. It's not very practical, its not particularly efficient, and it isn't exactly cheap, either. But it is cute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) I really do not see the appeal of the Smart car. It's not very practical, its not particularly efficient, and it isn't exactly cheap, either. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:05 PM) But it is cute! I'm pretty sure I used the logic path in a number of my previous dating relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) I'm pretty sure I used the logic path in a number of my previous dating relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 All somewhat connected: Christopher Columbus had knowledge of the New World, at the least, and at the most possibly even maps. Henry Sinclair landed in present day Canada roughly 100 years before Columbus landed in Hispaniola The Templars were not eradicated in 1307 and the survivors fled to Portugal and Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 What was that bit about an advanced pre-Egyptian society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 01:06 PM) All somewhat connected: Christopher Columbus had knowledge of the New World, at the least, and at the most possibly even maps. Henry Sinclair landed in present day Canada roughly 100 years before Columbus landed in Hispaniola The Templars were not eradicated in 1307 and the survivors fled to Portugal and Scotland. There were a number of groups who were in the Americas before Columbus. Corte-Real landed in Nova Scotia in like 1481, the Irish priest whose name escapes me has a pretty believable story a few centuries before that, of course the Vikings are now thought to have gotten as far south as Massachussets in the 10th century or so, the Chinese have some good evidence they were there. And of course since the whole Bering Land Bridge thing is no longer a viable explanation for most Indian groups (other than the Eskimo/Aleut cultures), they came from somewhere else, with the best theory I have seen talking about Asian-spawned Pacific Islander cultures. Columbus really wasn't much of a first, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 01:08 PM) What was that bit about an advanced pre-Egyptian society? I've come across that a few times in the books that I have read about the pyramids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) There were a number of groups who were in the Americas before Columbus. Corte-Real landed in Nova Scotia in like 1481, the Irish priest whose name escapes me has a pretty believable story a few centuries before that, of course the Vikings are now thought to have gotten as far south as Massachussets in the 10th century or so, the Chinese have some good evidence they were there. And of course since the whole Bering Land Bridge thing is no longer a viable explanation for most Indian groups (other than the Eskimo/Aleut cultures), they came from somewhere else, with the best theory I have seen talking about Asian-spawned Pacific Islander cultures. Columbus really wasn't much of a first, at all. Saint Brendan, but he was before the Vikings. You may be thinking of Madoc, who was Welsh. But ya, i've written a couple papers on the subject for history classes when I was in college and there is so much evidence. It's just when you say it to people they think you're a nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 01:45 PM) Saint Brendan, but he was before the Vikings. You may be thinking of Madoc, who was Welsh. But ya, i've written a couple papers on the subject for history classes when I was in college and there is so much evidence. It's just when you say it to people they think you're a nut. This ties in well with the ideas in bmac's thread about the Bolshevik Revolution about how what we're taught in high school and lower about history can be blatantly factually wrong or at least lacking a whole lot of detail/ context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 01:45 PM) Saint Brendan, but he was before the Vikings. You may be thinking of Madoc, who was Welsh. But ya, i've written a couple papers on the subject for history classes when I was in college and there is so much evidence. It's just when you say it to people they think you're a nut. People used to, but I think most people now acknowledge Columbus was just one in a long line. I think I was confusing Brendan and Madoc maybe, wasn't 100% sure, some of the details were fuzzy. I also take pride in the fact that I was an early adopter of the Sandia Man theory and other detractors from the idea that all the Indians came over on the land bridge, and now the general thought is starting to agree. Too many findings now of evidence prior to when that bridge was even there, plus the obvious differences in body types (skull shapes, etc.) between Eskimo/Aleut and the Indian cultures. I'd love to know the back story there, but we may never know, who they really were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 01:08 PM) What was that bit about an advanced pre-Egyptian society? I didnt know you saw Transformers 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Read "Pirates and the Lost Templar Fleet: The Secret Naval War Between the Knights Templar and the Vatican" by David Hatcher Childress, it's a good read easy to follow. He isn't a great writer and it's obvious (IMO he needs an editor) but the content is fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) Because the Prius is so 2007. I really do not see the appeal of the Smart car. It's not very practical, its not particularly efficient, and it isn't exactly cheap, either. The main reason to have a Smart car is the same reason as Europe...it's small. And if you live in the city, you don't necessarily need space or efficiency...you need to not drive around for two hours looking for a parking spot. Oh...and NSS -> Edited July 21, 2009 by CanOfCorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Read "Pirates and the Lost Templar Fleet: The Secret Naval War Between the Knights Templar and the Vatican" by David Hatcher Childress, it's a good read easy to follow. He isn't a great writer and it's obvious (IMO he needs an editor) but the content is fascinating. Is it fiction, or non-fiction/conspiracy theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 04:57 PM) Is it fiction, or non-fiction/conspiracy theory? Non-fiction/conspiracy theory. A lot of conjecture but also a lot that makes you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 10:02 AM) Why would I buy a "smart" car with almost no room in it and some safety questions that gets mileage more or less in the 30's, when I can buy a Prius with much more room and 50 mpg and lower emissions for roughly the same money? Seriously? They're that expensive and that poor in mileage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) Seriously? They're that expensive and that poor in mileage? The Smart gets 33 city (where you'd be using it the most) and 41 highway. The Prius, Civic Hybrid and Insight all far outperform it in that category. They range in starting price from ~$12k to ~$21k. A Honda Insight starts at $19k. For the low-end base model they're much cheaper, but if you start adding options to compare equally-equipped cars, they end up nearly even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Have you read Columbus' diaries? He did not know what he had found, other than thinking it was India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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