ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:52 AM) Source please? I've actually heard that before. I think it has something to do with hormones and lack of a sexual drive. Yes, they probably also have mental problems but the sexual drive factor could also be an influence - especially in the case of the semi-retarded. I wouldn't be opposed to castration as an option, but not as a mandatory sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 08:52 AM) Source please? Physical castration appears to be highly effective as, historically, it results in a 20-year re-offense rate of less than 2.3% vs. 80% in the untreated control group, according to a large 1963 study involving a total of 1036 sex offenders by the German researcher A. Langelüddeke, among others [7], much lower than what was otherwise expected. In modern times, the Czech Republic practices castrating convicted sex offenders. According to the reports compiled by Council of Europe, a human-rights forum, the central European country castrated at least 94 prisoners in the 10 years up to April 2008. The Czech Republic defends this procedure as voluntary and effective.[8] According to Dr. Martin Holly, director of the Psychiatric Hospital Bohnice in Prague, none of the nearly 100 sex offenders who had been physically castrated had committed further offenses.[9] One serial offender stated that being castrated was the "best decision" he ever made: "On the one hand you have to protect the potential victims and on the other hand I wanted to be protected from myself, I wanted to live like a normal person."[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration Don't try and be like a teacher and say Wiki isn't a real source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:00 AM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration Don't try and be like a teacher and say Wiki isn't a real source. Oh honey, I'm not like a teacher. I am the teacher. Also, are they committing other crimes? Rape is about power and control, not sex so I imagine they are still criminally active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 11:36 PM) I have no problem with the National Anthem before the game, I like it and find it to be a proper respect to play it before the games as a reminder why we are able to enjoy such freedoms as a sporting event. I just never understood the connection. We enjoy freedoms everywhere in our lives here in America. Should we do the national anthem at every music event, before the markets open on Wall Street, whenever we go bowling, at comedy clubs, at Chuck E Cheese? It just seems arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:11 AM) I just never understood the connection. We enjoy freedoms everywhere in our lives here in America. Should we do the national anthem at every music event, before the markets open on Wall Street, whenever we go bowling, at comedy clubs, at Chuck E Cheese? It just seems arbitrary. I always sing the National Anthem when I go to Chuck E Cheese. Which is at least 4 times a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 07:12 AM) Who practices eugenics? Planned Parenthood was founded on eugenics.... but that isn't the case anymore. And there are some scientific groups out there that work on eugenics. I'm not gonna lie, I feel this way mainly because of the movie Gattaca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) I just think it loses its meaning when it's played at every single sporting event. I'd bet less than 10% even sing it. Save it for the championship games of each sport. Edited July 15, 2009 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:11 AM) I just never understood the connection. We enjoy freedoms everywhere in our lives here in America. Should we do the national anthem at every music event, before the markets open on Wall Street, whenever we go bowling, at comedy clubs, at Chuck E Cheese? It just seems arbitrary. I'm all OK with the anthem at games. But I agree with others that God Bless America is needless, and also arrogant bordering on offensive. God doesn't bless a country, any more than they bless a team or a player to do well on the field. And speaking of unpopular opinions, I really dislike players who pray or do the sign of the cross before playing on the field. God is not there to help you get a base hit, jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 My unpopular opinion is that God is a fairy tale cooked up to gain control over the mindless masses, who would be willing to believe in the invisible man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:06 AM) Oh honey, I'm not like a teacher. I am the teacher. Also, are they committing other crimes? Rape is about power and control, not sex so I imagine they are still criminally active. Maybe in some cases rape is about power and control. But in a lot of cases, I assume it's about their sick urges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) My unpopular opinion is that God is a fairy tale cooked up to gain control over the mindless masses, who would be willing to believe in the invisible man. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:17 AM) Maybe in some cases rape is about power and control. But in a lot of cases, I assume it's about their sick urges. You're wrong; I'm not really interested in debating with someone who bases entire arguments on his own personal assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) I'm all OK with the anthem at games. But I agree with others that God Bless America is needless, and also arrogant bordering on offensive. God doesn't bless a country, any more than they bless a team or a player to do well on the field. And speaking of unpopular opinions, I really dislike players who pray or do the sign of the cross before playing on the field. God is not there to help you get a base hit, jackass. The whole point of praying before a game isn't to have god help you win the game or get a base hit. It's tough to explain, but mainly, from my experiences at least, it's to ask god to help you play up to your abilities and watch over you during the game. As for the sign of the cross and stuff after homeruns and base hits, save it. In my book, that's showing off the pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:23 AM) You're wrong; I'm not really interested in debating with someone who bases entire arguments on his own personal assumptions. Can I get proof that most cases of rape are about power and control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:24 AM) Can I get proof that most cases of rape are about power and control? I honestly thought that was common knowledge. Maybe you are thinking of child abusers, which is a different breed of scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:24 AM) Can I get proof that most cases of rape are about power and control? This is a start A portion of the study details how women who are raped by intimates/people they know (the vast majority of all rapes--stranger rape is incredibly rare) are usually first emotionally and physically abused. Rapists are more likely to be controlling, jealous and dominating--and they seem to use rape as a way to assert that dominance. A similar, but far more extreme, circumstance would be to look at the cases of war rape where the victors rape the losing side's women. Or rape is used as a way to control an occupied area. Am anecdotal reference, there a lots of stories of this happening in Bosnia and currently in Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:46 AM) I honestly thought that was common knowledge. Maybe you are thinking of child abusers, which is a different breed of scumbag. It is common knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 08:03 AM) How would that be possible? Especially for those who went to college? College loan paybacks begin within 6 months You would more than likely be picking up some form of a check while serving your country. One potential problem is the military doesn't want a lot of these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) You would more than likely be picking up some form of a check while serving your country. One potential problem is the military doesn't want a lot of these people. That's why I included community service. Spend a year teaching in a school system that always lacks teachers. Or being a guide at a national park. Or beautifying a community. Or working at a daycare. Or a retirement home. Give people a choice as to what kind of service they would like to perform. I said nothing about everyone must join the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:46 AM) I honestly thought that was common knowledge. Maybe you are thinking of child abusers, which is a different breed of scumbag. I understand that in cases it is about power. But I just don't see how that is always the case. First thing, all rapists are sick individuals, and there is no easy way to determine what's going through the head. I don't see how if a guy kidnaps and rapes a girl, it's automatically about power and control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 09:57 AM) That's why I included community service. Spend a year teaching in a school system that always lacks teachers. Or being a guide at a national park. Or beautifying a community. Or working at a daycare. Or a retirement home. Give people a choice as to what kind of service they would like to perform. I said nothing about everyone must join the military. I realize that. I like the idea, but there will be some issues to work out, especially for the population with less skills. Also, what penalty would be used for those that refuse service, or would there be a big carrot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Meat eaters should be required to work at a meat processing plant for a week every year. Fur coat purchasers should be required to work at a fur processing facility for a week before they buy a fur. Edited July 15, 2009 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:59 AM) I understand that in cases it is about power. But I just don't see how that is always the case. First thing, all rapists are sick individuals, and there is no easy way to determine what's going through the head. I don't see how if a guy kidnaps and rapes a girl, it's automatically about power and control. Those are the minority of cases. Most rapes occur between two people who know each other well (are friends, dating, married, whatever). If you want to talk about rapists you have to talk about the majority of them--and the majority of rapists are people who live in the community have normal sexual desires and appetites but have a need to dominate and control their partners. They are not mentally ill, they are not sociopaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 10:06 AM) Those are the minority of cases. Most rapes occur between two people who know each other well (are friends, dating, married, whatever). If you want to talk about rapists you have to talk about the majority of them--and the majority of rapists are people who live in the community have normal sexual desires and appetites but have a need to dominate and control their partners. They are not mentally ill, they are not sociopaths. You win. But while doing my research, I found this to be interesting.... A startling one out of every six American women has experienced a rape or attempted rape in her lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 11:02 AM) I realize that. I like the idea, but there will be some issues to work out, especially for the population with less skills. Also, what penalty would be used for those that refuse service, or would there be a big carrot? I have no idea. Pay for college if you do a year of service? Like really pay for college four years of full tuition and room and board. It's not a proposal I'm going to write to my legislator about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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