SoxFan1 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 10:26 AM) OK, I was reading about Paulie's 3 dingers on the Sox site and I saw this in the comments after the story ... FWIW, from someone named _Dylan_: Can any Score listeners verify this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (Adam G @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 08:53 AM) I wonder if the Blue Jays will make us take Vernon Wells' awful contract. Don't remember if I mentioned this in my first post in this thread or not... Do you guys realize how awful that contract is? Most of us knew it was big in that it was 7 years 126 million. But it's like the reverse Hossa contract. 25 million was signing bonus but his salary is whats hilarious. Last season and this season he makes a total salary of 2 million out of that 126. 2 MILLION. Last season was 500k and this season is 1.5. Next year he makes a gigantic 12.5 million. He makes 23 mill in 2011 and then 21 mill the next few years after that....What a horrible, horrible contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 09:21 AM) And I get the feeling that he'd be more willing to move away from Toronto than Peavy was to move away from SD. Not that it means that he'll get anything, but I have no doubt that Kenny has given Ricciardi a call or two over the past week. He'd be a bad GM if he didn't at least try to get a feel for what it'd take to get Halladay. I would bet based on everything we've heard so far that all 18 GM's of contending teams have given Toronto a call, and at least for now, the price has been "Beckham from Chicago" "Lester from Boston" "Chamberlain from New York" "Rasmus from St. Louis" "Escobar from Milwaukee" "Kershaw from Los Angeles" and so on. They've got at least 3 weeks to hold out and nothing forces them to make a trade period. Right now, they can afford to wait 2 weeks and see if someone is willing to part with a piece that most teams would consider crazy. The only way he moves to us is if the price drops a fair amount at the end of July, which is somewhat likely...but then the question will be, what do the Blue Jays get offered from other teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Don't remember if I mentioned this in my first post in this thread or not... Do you guys realize how awful that contract is? Most of us knew it was big in that it was 7 years 126 million. But it's like the reverse Hossa contract. 25 million was signing bonus but his salary is whats hilarious. Last season and this season he makes a total salary of 2 million out of that 126. 2 MILLION. Last season was 500k and this season is 1.5. Next year he makes a gigantic 12.5 million. He makes 23 mill in 2011 and then 21 mill the next few years after that....What a horrible, horrible contract. Is that comparable the huge bloated super horrible contract the Flubbies gave Soriano to bat .230 and bounce step every fly ball putout he makes? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Its looking as if the Phillies and Angels are the leaders in the Halladay sweepstakes. Angels Phillies White Sox likely not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 09:38 AM) I would bet based on everything we've heard so far that all 18 GM's of contending teams have given Toronto a call, and at least for now, the price has been "Beckham from Chicago" "Lester from Boston" "Chamberlain from New York" "Rasmus from St. Louis" "Escobar from Milwaukee" "Kershaw from Los Angeles" and so on. They've got at least 3 weeks to hold out and nothing forces them to make a trade period. Right now, they can afford to wait 2 weeks and see if someone is willing to part with a piece that most teams would consider crazy. The only way he moves to us is if the price drops a fair amount at the end of July, which is somewhat likely...but then the question will be, what do the Blue Jays get offered from other teams? Yep, Ricciardi will ask for the moon initially and see who bites. I'm pretty sure that Beckham, Lester, Chamberlain, and Kershaw will not be dealt. The Sox have a fighting chance with Richard and Poreda available, and likely Flowers as well. I don't believe Kenny's statement that attendance will hinder this deal. What WILL keep Halladay out of Chicago would be Kenny (rightly) refusing to deal Beckham, Danks, or Floyd, or another team out-bidding him. That said, I'm perfectly content if Halladay isn't in a Sox uni at the end of the month. A year and a half isn't that long and, given his age, I don't see the Sox extending him. It might be better to stand pat this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Heyman says, "The Jays will want one MLB-ready position player, one top pitching prospect who'll be ready by next year and at least a third top-of-the-line prospect, one competing executive said he heard." OK...so I'd offer... Alexei Ramirez Choice of Poreda and Richard Your choice of our minor leaguers not named Flowers And if it happnes this week, he's in a W. Sox uniform for the All-Star game in St. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) We cant put Poreda's name out there in the news again. You cant constantly be openly offering him for every ace out there, that kills a player's confidence in their situation. So i'm not at all surprised KW will go all out to throw off the scent right from the onset. But at the same time I doubt we can pull it off. And really I think they still need another bat, I dont like Kenny's comments indicating the lineup is just fine. Just b/c we dont have huge holes anywhere but 2b, it doesnt mean we're 'win now' automatically. we're not. Edited July 8, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 10:36 AM) We cant put Poreda's name out there in the news again. You cant constantly be openly offering him for every ace out there, that kills a player's confidence in their situation. I don't understand how a young player's confidence is hurt when he's a bargaining chip for two marquee pitchers. If anything, it sends the message that two teams think quite a bit of him. Edited July 8, 2009 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 But doesnt it become a circus if he's constantly in rumors? Every time an ace hits the market, Poreda will start mentally packing his bags. Maybe some guys dont let that affect them, but I'd say just b/c they wont admit it to the media, it doesnt mean they always handle it perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 KW's not acquiring Halladay. Period. He's too busy being hampered by low attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) But doesnt it become a circus if he's constantly in rumors? Every time an ace hits the market, Poreda will start mentally packing his bags. Maybe some guys dont let that affect them, but I'd say just b/c they wont admit it to the media, it doesnt mean they always handle it perfectly. Maybe. But Poreda was only been *confirmed* to be a piece in one deal. The rest is all media conjecture, and that's not going to stop because that's what the media does. ANY highly-touted pitching prospect is going to be the subject of trade rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) Ya, shutting the door on a trade because of comments Williams made not even really addressing the issue at hand probably isn't the best idea. The rumors will continue. I'm just saying, he's going to be using those comments as an excuse for when the Sox don't make a big trade to add a guy or why they traded away a big guy before the deadline. After all, "he told us" ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) *** Note mark this as the official prediction of this post *** I will have egg on my face if this turns out otherwise. Ricciardi the BJay GM has gone one record via MLBTR thought a New York newspaper that no team will be allowed to have an extended window with Halladay to negotiate a contract extension which to me kills any deal that KW will pursue. I state publicly that KW will not repeat will not trade for Halladay without an extension possibility. As the thread starter I stand by this. To me any attempt to deal with Toronto is dead now. May change if Ricciardi gets between a rock and a hard place come the deadline but I wouldn't pony up our future farm for 1.5 years of Halladay. Like some said better to roll the dice with AA/AAA prospects. Ricciardi knows he holds the chips this early before the deadline but things may change before the 31st. Link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/ricc...-halladay-.html Edited July 8, 2009 by chisoxfan09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 01:22 PM) *** Note mark this as the official prediction of this post *** I will have egg on my face if this turns out otherwise. Ricciardi the BJay GM has gone one record via MLBTR thought a New York newspaper that no team will be allowed to have an extended window with Halladay to negotiate a contract extension which to me kills any deal that KW will pursue. I state publicly that KW will not repeat will not trade for Halladay without an extension possibility. As the thread starter I stand by this. To me any attempt to deal with Toronto is dead now. May change if Ricciardi gets between a rock and a hard place come the deadline but I wouldn't pony up our future farm for 1.5 years of Halladay. Like some said better to roll the dice with AA/AAA prospects. Ricciardi knows he holds the chips this early before the deadline but things may change before the 31st. Link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/ricc...-halladay-.html Yea but we can go round and round. If it's only for 1.5 years, then other teams' competing offers wont be that staggering either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 11:28 AM) If it's only for 1.5 years, then other teams' competing offers wont be that staggering either. The Brewers gave up Matt LaPorta for 0.75 of a year of CC Sabathia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 01:33 PM) The Brewers gave up Matt LaPorta for 0.75 of a year of CC Sabathia. I personally think a deal with Poreda and Flowers in it can be competitive and doesnt destroy us. Poreda and Richard got it done for a big name guy (who albeit had 3.80 ish ERA in the NL). Granted there was a little more of a lame duck situation with Peavy. But Peavy's younger than Halladay too. Edited July 8, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 While Halladay is a horse. There is no Peavy talk now as he is hurt. If Halladay falls over the fence and busts a toe there is no Halladay talk until this offseason. I think JP if he is going to move, moves quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Somebody mentioned trading Alexeii. I don't think I'd do that in a trade for a pitcher. Lexi is a pretty special hitter. Now if he could do a tad better the first six weeks of the season, he'd REALLY be something but he's pretty damn electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I love Alexei, but his greatest value is to us. That OBP and his defense is eyebrow raising enough for other teams, but we've seen his clutchness first hand to feel that contract is still a steal somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 There's talk about the Bedard deal as being a comparison. Sherrill Jones > Flowers, but Flowers' stock is rising so that gap could be closing Tillman > Hudson, but again Hudson's stock is rising and Tillman wasn't as big of a prospect at the time of the deal as he is now Kam Mickolio Tony Butler... don't know if we have a comparable here, maybe Leesman? So would you deal Flowers + Poreda + Hudson + Jones + Leesman for Halladay? I would if I thought we had a good chance of working out an extension over the offseason. Making the playoffs would definitely help our cause, and with Halladay, I think we do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Does anyone else get the irritating feeling that Floyd would either be involved in this deal or (more likely) shipped elsewhere to save a little dough back? Actually i suppose to save $ in the current year maybe Contreras would be out for prospects? In a playoff series Jose would be a reliever, and has shown disdain for bullpen work in the past Edited July 8, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) Does anyone else get the irritating feeling that Floyd would either be involved in this deal or (more likely) shipped elsewhere to save a little dough back? Actually i suppose to save $ in the current year maybe Contreras would be out for prospects? I was just going to say Jose would probably be moved 1st if possible to save money.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I’m really conflicted about this Beckham and Halladay talk. I don’t think it will happen, but hypothetically if we did trade Beckham…. Ever, I’d be a bit torn up. And i like Roy Halladay too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Beckham is going to deliver so many RBIs-per-dollar for this franchise. For a long while. He's goin nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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