Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) I don't think Poreda's stock went down because of one game. For the most part he's been pretty good and as expected, imo. I think the big thing missing is his fastball's been a bit slower than advertised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:30 PM) We still don't know who the PTBNL in that deal were, do we? Lance Broadway was evidently one of them and it sounds as if Hudson was on the list of guys they could have received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 06:32 PM) I don't think Poreda's stock went down because of one game. For the most part he's been pretty good and as expected, imo. I thought he has been good also up to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) Lance Broadway was evidently one of them and it sounds as if Hudson was on the list of guys they could have received. So basically it was Hudson, Richard, and Poreda for Peavy? Â I can see why they'd do it, but we still lucked out on the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:33 AM) So basically it was Hudson, Richard, and Poreda for Peavy? I can see why they'd do it, but we still lucked out on the injury.  The thing is, that injury happened in the game after he declined the trade and it was from running the bases. If he accepts the trade, that injury never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 06:33 PM) So basically it was Hudson, Richard, and Poreda for Peavy? I can see why they'd do it, but we still lucked out on the injury. well the injury occured when he was running the bases. You could argue that it wouldn't of happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Whats the status of Peavy's injury anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) Whats the status of Peavy's injury anyway? Foot just came out of the boot. Hasn't done anything since it was injured. Everything goes well and maybe he pitches again in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 06:37 PM) Foot just came out of the boot. Hasn't done anything since it was injured. Everything goes well and maybe he pitches again in August. Thank you. That pretty much ends hope of a trade revisited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 06:32 PM) I don't think Poreda's stock went down because of one game. For the most part he's been pretty good and as expected, imo. I agree, his stock kind of is what it is and will stay there for a little barring injury. Any scout worth their salt wouldn't put a ton of stock in a few average or bad outings of a guy who's never came out of the pen before and one of the outings was after an extended layoff due to the all star break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Keith Law says Mets rumor was bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Ricciardi is the new Chuck LaMarr apparently. If he keeps asking for the moon, he is going to end up with nothing  Yahoo's Tim Brown hears that the Blue Jays will model possible trades after the Erik Bedard deal- only they want more.  Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog heard from four baseball people who all believe Omar Minaya would have agreed to deal Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada for Halladay. Edited July 21, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 06:32 PM) I think the big thing missing is his fastball's been a bit slower than advertised. Â Why haven't people caught on to the reason? The Sox take speed off of their pitchers to get them into a repeatable arm slot that still preserves their movement on their pitchers. It is why every single pitcher we get loses velocity here, and regains it elsewhere. It also seems to do wonders to prevent injuries, because when was the last Tommy John or shoulder surgery you remember a Sox major league pitcher getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) Why haven't people caught on to the reason? The Sox take speed off of their pitchers to get them into a repeatable arm slot that still preserves their movement on their pitchers. It is why every single pitcher we get loses velocity here, and regains it elsewhere. It also seems to do wonders to prevent injuries, because when was the last Tommy John or shoulder surgery you remember a Sox major league pitcher getting? Andy Sisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 09:35 AM) Why haven't people caught on to the reason? The Sox take speed off of their pitchers to get them into a repeatable arm slot that still preserves their movement on their pitchers. It is why every single pitcher we get loses velocity here, and regains it elsewhere. It also seems to do wonders to prevent injuries, because when was the last Tommy John or shoulder surgery you remember a Sox major league pitcher getting? I'm fine with them doing that...as long as the end result is actually they're controlling the pitch. He wasn't doing either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Then you have Nick Masset who this season has seen his fastball velocity rise, horizontal movement drop and control rise. His WHIP is down 0.620 from last year and a full 1.040 from '07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 11:58 AM) Then you have Nick Masset who this season has seen his fastball velocity rise, horizontal movement drop and control rise. His WHIP is down 0.620 from last year and a full 1.040 from '07. Â What has happened to Nick Masset this year is impossible to explain. Maybe he's on something because there is no number or video of him pitching in our organization that would suggest he was capable of it. Or maybe the NL is just that bad. Edited July 21, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 We do have a real habit over the years of having guys stall at the AAAA level who go on to be solid relievers with other teams, don't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:02 PM) We do have a real habit over the years of having guys stall at the AAAA level who go on to be solid relievers with other teams, don't we? Â We've had some, but Masset's stuff actually has looked a lot better this year too, which I can't remember happening. Makes you wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 10:46 AM) Andy Sisco.   Don't know how many of these guys actually had TJ surgery...  Lorenzo Barcelo Jim Parque Jason Stumm Corwin Malone Danny Wright Jon Rauch (labrum) Rocky Biddle Bobby Howry Kelly Wunsch James Baldwin Mike Sirotka Kyle Kane Kris Honel Brian West  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Aren't all of those guys non Coop people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 11:02 AM) We do have a real habit over the years of having guys stall at the AAAA level who go on to be solid relievers with other teams, don't we?  Rauch Majewski Frank Francisco (wouldn't describe him as stalled, though) Aardsma Javier Lopez with Boston Masset MacDougal Jesus Pena (joking) Chad Bradford Josh Fogg Rocky Biddle  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Masset was touted as a hard thrower before we got him. Perhaps Coop wanted him to sacrifice velocity for control and it just wasnt a good fit for NM Â Â Â Also, to those talking about a "baconless world" - i think there's no way KW trades Beckham, that's too cheap an asset for too many years. Brings people to the stadium as well as production, it's exactly the kind of guy JR doesnt want to let go of in his pre-arb years. Â i would think that our best all-minor-leaguers offer would have a chance. the market seems to not be where the Jays want it right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkuX...o&type=lgns  White Sox NOT included in the list of potential suitors in this particular article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) Don't know how many of these guys actually had TJ surgery... Lorenzo Barcelo Jim Parque Jason Stumm Corwin Malone Danny Wright Jon Rauch (labrum) Rocky Biddle Bobby Howry Kelly Wunsch James Baldwin Mike Sirotka Kyle Kane Kris Honel Brian West   All labrum issues IIRC, and pretty much all of them on Nardi Contreras' watch. Kind of hard to blame Contreras or Cooper for Kane, Honel, West, and Malone though since they pretty much all never saw the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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