Ozzie and his Usage of Aaron Poreda.

[TheBigHurt]

So which managers (not named Ozzie Guillen) do you think would have led us to a championship in 2005?

 

Cito Gaston? Jerry Manuel? Wally Backman?

 

I'm sure the usual answers (Gardenhire, Torre, Tom Kelly, LaRussa, Maddon, Scioscia, Francona, Leyland, Ken Macha, Piniella, etc.)

 

Right?

 

Ah! Changing the subject! What other managers could/would have done has NOTHING to do with Ozzie. I don't give a DAMN who else would have led us to 2005's WC title, much less even THOUGHT about it because it has NOTHING to do with the subject! Thanks for proving my point further. I stand corrected.

Edited July 20, 2009 by TheBigHurt

[jenksycat]

Ah! Changing the subject! What other managers could/would have done has NOTHING to do with Ozzie. I don't give a DAMN who else would have led us to 2005's WC title, much less even THOUGHT about it because it has NOTHING to do with the subject! Thanks for proving my point further. I stand corrected.

 

I don't think he's really changing the subject....more of just pointing out how stupid it is to b**** about mistakes when there isn't a manager in the history of the game who hasn't made them. So he's made some mistakes, so has every player/coach/gm/etc in every sport in the history of mankind...at least Oz has a ring for his troubles. Who gives a f***.

[whitesoxfan101]

I actually think Ozzie has had a pretty good season so far, but his use of Poreda this year has been awful, and the spot he put him in today was simply stupid and impossible to defend. Whoever made the decision to bring Poreda up clearly made a bad decision too, because he should either be in our rotation or in the minor leagues in the rotation getting work. The situation we have him in right now will do him no good. Overall though, I think it would be VERY difficult to make a case for Ozzie Guillen not being an above average manager. Every teams fanbase has it's people who nitpick and hate their manager, and ours is no different.

Edited July 20, 2009 by whitesoxfan101

[WCSox]

I actually think Ozzie has had a pretty good season so far, but his use of Poreda this year has been awful, and the spot he put him in today was simply stupid and impossible to defend.

 

I disagree with this. Poreda has been handled with kid gloves all season. When he was finally put in a semi-difficult position, he crapped his pants big-time. Walking two straight batters with the bases loaded is "impossible to defend."

 

[Misplaced_Sox]

LOL@semi difficult

 

ya

[rangercal]

Excuse me? fathom is far smarter than Ozzie Guillen. He's never made a bad managerial decision in his life.

 

Fathom has never lost a MLB game.

[TheBigHurt]

I don't think he's really changing the subject....more of just pointing out how stupid it is to b**** about mistakes when there isn't a manager in the history of the game who hasn't made them. So he's made some mistakes, so has every player/coach/gm/etc in every sport in the history of mankind...at least Oz has a ring for his troubles. Who gives a f***.

 

I get what you're saying, but COME ON, man! Every season I watch it seems to get worse. Last year seeing Justin Morneau pitched to with 2 outs and first base open with a narrow lead had me rolling. Seeing Linebrink serve up 4 runs to the Cubs was just f***ing retarded.

[JohnCangelosi]

I get what you're saying, but COME ON, man! Every season I watch it seems to get worse. Last year seeing Justin Morneau pitched to with 2 outs and first base open with a narrow lead had me rolling. Seeing Linebrink serve up 4 runs to the Cubs was just f***ing retarded.

Exactly. The Linebrink decision to pitch to Soto was arguably the WORST managerial decision I have ever seen. And you can multiply it by 10 given it was a White Sox - Cubs game. This is in a long string of decisions that make literally no sense whatsoever. Ozzie needs a bench coach who he can lean on to help him with the bone head decisions he makes. Granted, I love the fact that Ozzie takes the heat and also is "the boss" in the clubhouse. But his decision making has to be in the lower 20% among all ML managers.

 

And BTW, Aaron Poreda should NOT be starting right now for the White Sox. The guy has no clue where the ball is going. He needs to work on his control in a BIG way. And I thought this BEFORE yesterday's outing of 2 walks in a row with the bases loaded.

Edited July 20, 2009 by JohnCangelosi

[jenksycat]

I get what you're saying, but COME ON, man! Every season I watch it seems to get worse. Last year seeing Justin Morneau pitched to with 2 outs and first base open with a narrow lead had me rolling. Seeing Linebrink serve up 4 runs to the Cubs was just f***ing retarded.

 

So I ask again, who cares? Or actually, who do you want instead? That's the whole point of the argument...you think Ozzie is a horrible manager but then refuse to answer who you'd want instead or even acknowledge the fact that every manager makes mistakes. In his 5 years, he's got 2 division titles, one ring, and only one bad season (that you can't blame him for anyway). That's more than enough for me, I'll take Ozzie any day over most managers who don't really seem to give a s*** how their team does.

[WCSox]

So I ask again, who cares? Or actually, who do you want instead? That's the whole point of the argument...you think Ozzie is a horrible manager but then refuse to answer who you'd want instead or even acknowledge the fact that every manager makes mistakes. In his 5 years, he's got 2 division titles, one ring, and only one bad season (that you can't blame him for anyway). That's more than enough for me, I'll take Ozzie any day over most managers who don't really seem to give a s*** how their team does.

 

LOL at Soxtalk's armchair managers and armchair GMs.

 

I often scratch my head at some of Ozzie's moves but, as pointed out above, he gets results. That's a lot more than I can say for Ozzie's overrated choke-artist colleague who resides 8 miles north. Outside of Scioscia, Gardenhire, Torre, LaRussa, and Cox, I don't see a better option for the Sox right now. Wake me up when Ozzie rips off a string of 70-win seasons.

 

[TheBigHurt]

LOL at Soxtalk's armchair managers and armchair GMs.

 

I often scratch my head at some of Ozzie's moves but, as pointed out above, he gets results. That's a lot more than I can say for Ozzie's overrated choke-artist colleague who resides 8 miles north. Outside of Scioscia, Gardenhire, Torre, LaRussa, and Cox, I don't see a better option for the Sox right now. Wake me up when Ozzie rips off a string of 70-win seasons.

 

Winning is obviously the goal and that's happening, but I love how no one seems to ever mention how terrible this division has been for almost 2 years now. Sure, winning is the only thing that matters, but winning a very s***ty division in 08, in my mind, is not much of a counter point to Ozzie's clusterf*** in-game managing. I would even go as far as to argue that without it, we could have possibly won that division EASILY and not had to go down to the final 3 games for a miracle (although the players themselves were just as much to blame for that).

Edited July 21, 2009 by TheBigHurt

[WCSox]

Winning is obviously the goal and that's happening, but I love how no one seems to ever mention how terrible this division has been for almost 2 years now.

 

A year and a half is a pretty small sample size. The Central was relatively competitive in 2007 (Indians won 96 games, Tigers won 88 games), very competitive in 2005, and ridiculously competitive in 2006. The Sox managed two 90-win seasons and a ring during the two most competitive years.

 

Sure, winning is the only thing that matters, but winning a very s***ty division in 08, in my mind, is not much of a counter point to Ozzie's clusterf*** in-game managing. I would even go as far as to argue that without it, we could have possibly won that division EASILY

 

I completely disagree. The Sox got killed with injuries last season (Quentin, Linebrink, Konerko, Crede, Contreras) and Swisher, Dotel, and Vazquez were completely worthless down the stretch. THAT'S why they struggled to win 89 games and only won one playoff game.

 

I'll be the first to admit that Ozzie's in-game managing is questionable at times. But blaming last season on him is ridiculous. Too many injuries to key players, and too much bad play in the second half of the season is what doomed the Sox.