wilmot825 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 With Thome off the books after this year and the injury history with Carlos, it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Possible? Yes. However, how many of his injuries over the years have been fielding-related? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Doesn't make much sense. If he's injured, he isn't playing OF OR DH. Very rarely would some injury happen where he could DH but not play the OF. Plus with guys like Dye, Thome and PK in the mix, they are all better candidates. And when TCQ is healthy, he is a decent OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 NONONONONO! He'll be LF or RF. He will recover from his injury; it is not career threatening. Dye will be dealt or will be the DH, more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I'm all in favor of Dye as the DH next season, but honestly, do you think he's just gonna accept the demotion? It's partly a slap in the face. "We don't think you can play the outfield position you've been playing for 13 years anymore" Some guys have a hard time adjusting to only playing half the game as far as staying warm etc. JD seems like a pro, but you never know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 with the way thome has hit this year, i wouldnt be surprised at all if they bring him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) We don't have anybody in the minors with the batting pop to replace either Thome or Dye. Rather than sign a free agent then left's keep our own players who have produced for this team. Thome and Dye both should stay with the Sox. Really the question next year is the CF situation. You deal or let either one of these guys go and you open up more holes. I can envision a line up of Pods or someone in CF Ramirez at SS Dye in RF Thome at DH Konerko at 1B Quentin in LF AJP or someone at C Becham at 3B Getz at 2B Some movement with the starters most likely and in the pen too Edited July 20, 2009 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:23 PM) I'm all in favor of Dye as the DH next season, but honestly, do you think he's just gonna accept the demotion? It's partly a slap in the face. "We don't think you can play the outfield position you've been playing for 13 years anymore" Some guys have a hard time adjusting to only playing half the game as far as staying warm etc. JD seems like a pro, but you never know.... I actually agree with you and I think his current reputation as a very good defensive outfielder would play a big role in such a situation. Dye will be 36 years old next year and is already one of the least effective fielders in the game thanks to his non-existent speed and poor arm, it's only going to get worse with time. If he's not open to a major decrease in RF playing time then there's going to have to be a change, at a certain point the Sox are gonna have to place a premium on defense, something they've failed to do in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) I actually agree with you and I think his current reputation as a very good defensive outfielder would play a big role in such a situation. Dye will be 36 years old next year and is already one of the least effective fielders in the game thanks to his non-existent speed and poor arm, it's only going to get worse with time. If he's not open to a major decrease in RF playing time then there's going to have to be a change, at a certain point the Sox are gonna have to place a premium on defense, something they've failed to do in recent years. Since when does Jermaine Dye have a poor arm? Scott Podsednik and Dwayne Wise have poor arms. JD does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I believe Q is a true competitor that wants to play as hard as he can when he's on the field, and if we tell him he's moving to DH if he gets injured he'll probably hide his injury in an effort to keep competing. This would probably hurt him more in the long run, defeating the purpose of moving him to DH in the first place. No, he should stay in left, move JD to DH. With the discussion regarding CF, if we don't plan on having Pods around for a more than next year I think we should go after someone young and versatile position-wise like Colby Rasmus. This way when D2 comes up and JD leaves we have options for young, talented OFers in that are capable of playing CF and the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Since when does Jermaine Dye have a poor arm? Scott Podsednik and Dwayne Wise have poor arms. JD does not. Not to derail the thread, but Dye's arm isn't as good as it was when he was first here. Still above average, but not nearly as good. Pods has surprised me...he's not as much of a noodle arm as he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Since when does Jermaine Dye have a poor arm? Scott Podsednik and Dwayne Wise have poor arms. JD does not. His fundamentals are garbage, his arm isn't nearly strong enough to make up for catching near every ball flat footed and most with his momentum moving in the opposite direction of the intended target. I've been saying this for years and every metric that attempts to quantify arm strength backs it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 something that no one has been talking about as an idea... Let's say that the Sox move Quentin to RF next year as its been discussed. So then, you have a hole in LF and CF. (Anderson, Pods are options) But knowing how much the Sox have stuggled to fill these positions, would it be better to do the following.... Leave Quentin in LF and Dye in RF. Make Fields the DH and then just fill one position CF (or go with an Anderson/Pods situation) So the lineup could look like... 1) Pods- CF 2) Ramirez- SS 3) Quentin- LF 4) Dye-RF 5) Konerko-1B 6) AJP-C 7) Beckham-3B 8) Fields-DH 9) Getz-2B The Sox could then use the $ they save from Thome, Contreras, Dotel and Colon ($30 million in total) to either... -upgrade CF -upgrade the Bullpen -Get a solid #4/#5 starter -lock up John Danks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Jim will be back at a contract around 6 million plus incentives. Konerko loves the man. I can't see them shutting the door in his face. After Jim, I do not want the Sox to have a dedicated DH. I want JD, Q, Pods, whoever to play DH once in a while. If you have a guy mostly DH, at least have that player maintain the ability to play a position without being a complete injury risk or defensive liability. If your best hitter or highly talented highly paid player can only DH, it hurts when playing the National League and makes the team much less flexible. Would AJ/Flowers be a better hitter if he got 20 fewer games behind the plate and 30 more at DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) His fundamentals are garbage, his arm isn't nearly strong enough to make up for catching near every ball flat footed and most with his momentum moving in the opposite direction of the intended target. I've been saying this for years and every metric that attempts to quantify arm strength backs it up. I'm not saying he's a Gold Glove (not that it means anything anymore) RF with a cannon arm, but his arm certainly isn't poor. Just a choice of wording I disagree with. It's still quite above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 02:12 PM) I'm not saying he's a Gold Glove (not that it means anything anymore) RF with a cannon arm, but his arm certainly isn't poor. Just a choice of wording I disagree with. It's still quite above average. Agree, his arm is still better than average. And he is still decent (not great) on getting reads. But his range, his glove work, his footwork... all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) Agree, his arm is still better than average. And he is still decent (not great) on getting reads. But his range, his glove work, his footwork... all bad. Hawk said hes worthy of a Gold Glove this year. He wouldn't lie to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) something that no one has been talking about as an idea... Let's say that the Sox move Quentin to RF next year as its been discussed. So then, you have a hole in LF and CF. (Anderson, Pods are options) But knowing how much the Sox have stuggled to fill these positions, would it be better to do the following.... Leave Quentin in LF and Dye in RF. Make Fields the DH and then just fill one position CF (or go with an Anderson/Pods situation) So the lineup could look like... 1) Pods- CF 2) Ramirez- SS 3) Quentin- LF 4) Dye-RF 5) Konerko-1B 6) AJP-C 7) Beckham-3B 8) Fields-DH 9) Getz-2B The Sox could then use the $ they save from Thome, Contreras, Dotel and Colon ($30 million in total) to either... -upgrade CF -upgrade the Bullpen -Get a solid #4/#5 starter -lock up John Danks Fields?!?....DH?!?...good lord why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 02:26 PM) Hawk said hes worthy of a Gold Glove this year. He wouldn't lie to me. hiney-bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) Fields?!?....DH?!?...good lord why? i think he's had somewhat of a Sophomore Slump this year... the ability to focus on his hitting without having to worry about his glove, could help him become the .265 30HR 90RBI kind of guy that everyone had hoped that he would become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 02:12 PM) I'm not saying he's a Gold Glove (not that it means anything anymore) RF with a cannon arm, but his arm certainly isn't poor. Just a choice of wording I disagree with. It's still quite above average. Everything suggests otherwise. 2006. 2007. 2008. Outfield arm runs above average. 2002... -3.9 2003... -2.9 2004... -2.4 2005... -1.5 2006... -4.0 2007... -5.7 2008... -3.9 2009... -0.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) Everything suggests otherwise. 2006. 2007. 2008. Outfield arm runs above average. 2002... -3.9 2003... -2.9 2004... -2.4 2005... -1.5 2006... -4.0 2007... -5.7 2008... -3.9 2009... -0.7 I know I risk the ire of the stat-heads here, but, I personally don't think that stats can give you a good idea of how good an OF's arm is. There are just so many variables that even create those situations where it comes into play, and so few events in the numerator, that the values just don't mean much. And it doesn't take into account the times when players don't attempt to take the extra base because of who is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 03:18 PM) I know I risk the ire of the stat-heads here, but, I personally don't think that stats can give you a good idea of how good an OF's arm is. There are just so many variables that even create those situations where it comes into play, and so few events in the numerator, that the values just don't mean much. And it doesn't take into account the times when players don't attempt to take the extra base because of who is there. Hold rate sure does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:24 PM) Hold rate sure does. It can show the hold rate literally, but doesn't adjust for the types of hits going to RF, what the infielders on the right are letting through and not letting through, ballpark factors... Stats are great, but running on arm events are just too rare to get meaningful statistical data, IMO. You can get some indicators like that, but they are flawed, in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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