Carlos Quentin, White Sox DH 2010?

[ILMOU]

something that no one has been talking about as an idea...

 

Let's say that the Sox move Quentin to RF next year as its been discussed. So then, you have a hole in LF and CF. (Anderson, Pods are options) But knowing how much the Sox have stuggled to fill these positions, would it be better to do the following....

 

Leave Quentin in LF and Dye in RF. Make Fields the DH and then just fill one position CF (or go with an Anderson/Pods situation)

 

So the lineup could look like...

 

1) Pods- CF

2) Ramirez- SS

3) Quentin- LF

4) Dye-RF

5) Konerko-1B

6) AJP-C

7) Beckham-3B

8) Fields-DH

9) Getz-2B

 

The Sox could then use the $ they save from Thome, Contreras, Dotel and Colon ($30 million in total) to either...

 

-upgrade CF

-upgrade the Bullpen

-Get a solid #4/#5 starter

-lock up John Danks

 

I'll be frankly very surprised if Fields is on next year's team.

 

[qwerty]

It can show the hold rate literally, but doesn't adjust for the types of hits going to RF, what the infielders on the right are letting through and not letting through, ballpark factors... Stats are great, but running on arm events are just too rare to get meaningful statistical data, IMO. You can get some indicators like that, but they are flawed, in my view.

 

Sure it's flawed. The most flawed statistics out there are the common stats everyone follows like a religion, ops, slugging, obp, average, rbi's, wins, losses. The tricky thing is determining where the truth lies. Sabermetricians want to know if what their eyes tell them is true, and the vast majority of the time the eyes do not lie. The fun is finding what exactly is not what it appears be on the surface, which is where they come in, visuals can be deceiving, in all walks of life.

 

Using Gameday to build a fielding metric (Part 1)

 

Using Gameday to build a fielding metric (Part 2)

 

Raw data is better than nothing at all Everything stems from something at one point in time to help benefit later down the road. We are most definitely heading in the right direction with this breakthrough.

Edited July 20, 2009 by qwerty

[Bubba Philips]

Sure it's flawed. The most flawed statistics out there are the common stats everyone follows like a religion, ops, slugging, obp, average, rbi's, wins, losses. The tricky thing is determining where the truth lies. Sabermetricians want to know if what their eyes tell them is true, and the vast majority of the time the eyes do not lie. The fun is finding what exactly is not what it appears be on the surface, which is where they come in, visuals can be deceiving, in all walks of life.

 

Using Gameday to build a fielding metric (Part 1)

 

Using Gameday to build a fielding metric (Part 2)

 

Raw data is better than nothing at all Everything stems from something at one point in time to help benefit later down the road. We are most definitely heading in the right direction with this breakthrough.

Carlos is great but not against lefties. Presently he is hitting only .167 against southpaws. Fields actually hits lefties quite well about 30 points higher than when a right hander is on the mound.

Edited July 20, 2009 by forrestg

[elrockinMT]

His fundamentals are garbage, his arm isn't nearly strong enough to make up for catching near every ball flat footed and most with his momentum moving in the opposite direction of the intended target. I've been saying this for years and every metric that attempts to quantify arm strength backs it up.

 

 

His arm is strong and his fundementals are also. Listen to even opposing announcers and they say Dye might have lost a step with age but he has made up for it with his experience and the fact he can still cover ground with the best of them.

[Kalapse]

His arm is strong and his fundementals are also. Listen to even opposing announcers and they say Dye might have lost a step with age but he has made up for it with his experience and the fact he can still cover ground with the best of them.

Then they're full of s***. Just watch him, count how many times he gets behind and runs through the ball putting himself in position to make a good throw, he relies on pure arm strength which isn't going to work. And no, he doesn't cover ground with the best of them, I don't care how good his reads are, being the slowest everyday outfielder in the game of baseball is keeping him from getting to a lot of balls. Just watch JD Drew (not even Ichiro, Upton or Werth) move around in RF, he's standing under balls that Dye has trouble getting to.