SI1020 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) Borchard has made me extremely wary of sick power and lots of K's. Granted they are not the same player, i understand that, I just dont like to see that high of a percentage of K's in any player. I don't like it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I just don't get where people think we'll deal a pen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:51 PM) I just don't get where people think we'll deal a pen arm. Probably because we have one of the best collections of pen arms in baseball, one of whom is a pending FA, and we have a few apparently good RP prospects ready at AAA, and we just traded for a younger, cheaper one. Makes perfect sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) The last guy that happened to killed himself. For real? Damn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I wonder if KW is going to consider trading for veteran players Melvin Mora or A. Huff for 3B, with Beckham moving to 2B? Maybe 10% odds? Sherrill is the other Orioles player reportedly being offered up in trade, but he would be way too expensive to acquire...plus, we already have his equivalent in Thornton/Richard (eventually) down in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) Probably because we have one of the best collections of pen arms in baseball, one of whom is a pending FA, and we have a few apparently good RP prospects ready at AAA, and we just traded for a younger, cheaper one. Makes perfect sense to me. If we think we can win the Central, we're not going to subtract from an already shaky pen. No one's going to take on Linebrink, and with him being questionable, we can't really get rid of Dotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) Probably because we have one of the best collections of pen arms in baseball, one of whom is a pending FA, and we have a few apparently good RP prospects ready at AAA, and we just traded for a younger, cheaper one. Makes perfect sense to me. We would have to give away additional prospects with Liney or eat salary....especially after his performance the last 4-6 weeks (see Richard, Clayton and Poreda, Aaron for other Sox pitchers who have lost a bit of luster). With Dotel, we won't get much of anything back at all, but clearing his salary gives us the ability to "rent" a CFer (Endy Chavez, for example) or veteran 3B. Plus, as expected, Pena has been very inconsistent already, just as he was with the D-Backs for most of this season. Edited July 21, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:59 PM) I wonder if KW is going to consider trading for veteran players Melvin Mora or A. Huff for 3B, with Beckham moving to 2B? Maybe 10% odds? Sherrill is the other Orioles player reportedly being offered up in trade, but he would be way too expensive to acquire...plus, we already have his equivalent in Thornton/Richard (eventually) down in the pen. Thornton and Richard are nothing alike other than being left-handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:03 PM) Thornton and Richard are nothing alike other than being left-handed. What other team has two lefties that both can throw 94-98 MPH consistently out of the bullpen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:11 PM) What other team has two lefties that both can throw 94-98 MPH consistently out of the bullpen? Richard does not throw 94-98 consistently. He throws 92-93 consistently, occasionally hitting 95 when he reaches back for extra. Thornton is 96-97 like clockwork, occasionally 98. They are entirely different in delivery, pitches, velocity, strengths/weaknesses... again, except for the lefthandedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) Richard does not throw 94-98 consistently. He throws 92-93 consistently, occasionally hitting 95 when he reaches back for extra. Thornton is 96-97 like clockwork, occasionally 98. They are entirely different in delivery, pitches, velocity, strengths/weaknesses... again, except for the lefthandedness. Still looking for answer to question, what other team possesses what we have, not to mention Poreda as well? Second, Richard had numerous starts when he was 93-95 MPH this season, on various guns. Why WOULDN'T we be able to extrapolate that he could easily/comfortably throw 93-94-95-96 coming out of the bullpen? Did anyone predict Richard would be throwing 2-3 MPH harder than Poreda this season? I don't think so. Or that he could possibly be one of the two center pieces in a trade for Jake Peavy? Edited July 21, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) Still looking for answer to question, what other team possesses what we have, not to mention Poreda as well? Second, Richard had numerous starts when he was 93-95 MPH this season, on various guns. Why WOULDN'T we be able to extrapolate that he could easily/comfortably throw 93-94-95-96 coming out of the bullpen? Did anyone predict Richard would be throwing 2-3 MPH harder than Poreda this season? I don't think so. Or that he could possibly be one of the two center pieces in a trade for Jake Peavy? Do you ever stay on subject for the full length of a post? You said Sherrill was the equivalent of Thornton/Richard, I pointed out that saying Thornton/Richard is like saying any lefty/any lefty. You then asked how many other teams have lefties who happen to be in the 94-98 range (which is a pretty broad range), which is not what I was talking about, nor is it what you were talking about originally. I need to go beat my head on a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:28 PM) Do you ever stay on subject for the full length of a post? You said Sherrill was the equivalent of Thornton/Richard, I pointed out that saying Thornton/Richard is like saying any lefty/any lefty. You then asked how many other teams have lefties who happen to be in the 94-98 range (which is a pretty broad range), which is not what I was talking about, nor is it what you were talking about originally. I need to go beat my head on a brick wall. That's because you went to Iowa State apparently...and I went to Iowa, so there you go. How is Thornton/Richard JUST like any lefty/lefty? What does that even mean? Which teams have a tandem or trio of three lefties coming out of the pen like we do (or could have)? Why do you underestimate Richard so much, because he has been pitching so poorly as a starter recently? I'll narrow the range, 95-98, if that appeases you. I will also go to beating my head against a brick wall like Kirk Ferentz must feel every year after somehow losing to ISU inexplicably with superior talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:33 PM) That's because you went to Iowa State apparently...and I went to Iowa, so there you go. How is Thornton/Richard JUST like any lefty/lefty? What does that even mean? Which teams have a tandem or trio of three lefties coming out of the pen like we do (or could have)? Why do you underestimate Richard so much, because he has been pitching so poorly as a starter recently? I'll narrow the range, 95-98, if that appeases you. I will also go to beating my head against a brick wall like Kirk Ferentz must feel every year after somehow losing to ISU inexplicably with superior talent. Thank God he was extended for seven years. It's hard to find a coach with that s***ty of a record against Iowa State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:37 PM) Thank God he was extended for seven years. It's hard to find a coach with that s***ty of a record against Iowa State. Not really, Steve Alford certainly qualifies. Unfortunately, Lickliter might be even worse bringing in talent and/or running off athletic players who might actually be able to competently play in the Big10. Edited July 21, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:41 PM) Not really, Steve Alford certainly qualifies. Unfortunately, Lickliter might be even worse bringing in talent and/or running off athletic players who might actually be able to competently play in the Big10. Aaaaaaaand...thread destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) Aaaaaaaand...thread destroyed. no s***. 5 posts and massive derailment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) Aaaaaaaand...thread destroyed. Well, back to the original point, I have a hard time fathoming we'll move anyone from our pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Nah, I think if there’s a legitimate chance of shoring up the outfield, Kenny wouldn’t hesitate to trade an arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Well, back to the original point, I have a hard time fathoming we'll move anyone from our pen. With how guys like linebrink have looked as of late, Poreda's lack of emergence, and question marks on Richard if he is moved back into the pen...I would say this is looking to be accurate. Add in Matt T's departure shortly and I am beginning to agree with you. Had you told me a week ago - I thought the Pena trade meant a little more then just adding an arm for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Last time I checked the survey results, White Sox fans were reportedly smarter than Cubs fans...so I trust we'll be able to get the thread back on track without massive traumatization to anyone's day-to-day existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) Aaaaaaaand...thread destroyed. Its like watching midgets fighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 12:41 PM) I figure that Baltimore and Atlanta wanted to see Josh Fields, thats why he was starting last night. That's the first thing I thought about reading that. Baltimore has been trying to trade Felix Pie and supposedly was in discussions for Fields. I do NOT want Felix Pie over BA, but if it means no more D-Wise, bring him ON!!! If ATL is talking with us it could be about a lot of things. ATL traded for Dotel once before, plus they have CF's better than Wise who aren't going to play (Gregor Blanco is a fit for us) and they also have a need for a 2B. I bet they're scouting relievers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) That's the first thing I thought about reading that. Baltimore has been trying to trade Felix Pie and supposedly was in discussions for Fields. I do NOT want Felix Pie over BA, but if it means no more D-Wise, bring him ON!!! If ATL is talking with us it could be about a lot of things. ATL traded for Dotel once before, plus they have CF's better than Wise who aren't going to play (Gregor Blanco is a fit for us) and they also have a need for a 2B. I bet they're scouting relievers though. Good theories. My first thought was Huff and then Sherill from BAL. ATL would be in the market for the Sox to move a reliever to take on another possible salary for a guy like a Rios. Could a Fields for Pie trade be in the works? I love this time of year when the Sox are possible buyers. KW is the most exciting GM in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Clayton Richard's average fastball this season is about 92 MPH. According to PitchFX he's topped out at about 95. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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