Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 11:48 AM) I still dont believe that PSU can get selected over a team that beat them. Iowa deserves a BCS bid IMO. PSU wasnt impressive against ranked teams. I agree with you, but at the end of the day $ talks and I think the Orange Bowl is going to take PSU over Iowa, unfortunately. It will really stink too. Both teams draw well, Paterno and PSU are more storied and thats why they'll get the bid. I sure hope I'm wrong though and Iowa gets the bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) You think they'll take either school over TCU? Yes, TCU in a bowl doesn't generate the same revenue as an Iowa or PSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) Looks like Stoops to ND. Thats a pretty big get. He can recruit AND coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 04:07 PM) Yes, TCU in a bowl doesn't generate the same revenue as an Iowa or PSU. I dunno. TV wise, I'd much prefer to see a TCU team over teams like Iowa/PSU who no offense are pretty bland and boring for non Big 10 fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) Thats a pretty big get. He can recruit AND coach. You have ND people saying he's coming to ND, and OU people saying he's staying. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 03:11 PM) You have ND people saying he's coming to ND, and OU people saying he's staying. Very interesting. Stoops has been courted a few times and left some programs at the altar, I wouldnt be surprised either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 That would be a stellar hire for ND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I don't see them getting Stoops. I would be utterly shocked if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091130/ap_on_...me_weis_fired_9 http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1109/682835.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) I dunno. TV wise, I'd much prefer to see a TCU team over teams like Iowa/PSU who no offense are pretty bland and boring for non Big 10 fans. Not sure where bland and boring came from, PSU has a dynamic offense to go with a good defense. The argument for TCU is that they are top 5 in both offense and defense, although against lower tier competition. Bowls would obviously prefer teams that travel better and probably teams that have played a tougher schedule so that they can make it a good game. TCU's two toughest games were against Air Force and Clemson and their offense struggled to put up points against both. Edited November 30, 2009 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 If I am in Notre Dame's inner circle and we get rejected by Urban and Stoops, I call The Old Ball Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 ND will get rejected as long as they are so strict with their athlete academic requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 05:23 PM) ND will get rejected as long as they are so strict with their athlete academic requirements. ND is and has been one of those few schools that has succeeded at building a highly successful major-sport athletic program while still being academically elite. Duke and Stanford are others. I don't see any of them changing that, and I think that's excellent. A university is supposed to be a university. Athletic programs are great, but no school should sacrifice their overall standards just to have a good football team***. *** = I am aware that ALL schools make allowances for athletes, just like they do other individuals, but there is a difference between doing that, within the confines of still being academically rigorous, and doing what many other schools do and find a way to get anyone with a heartbeat in the door if they can block and tackle. The NFL and NBA have gotten away with, essentially, having a cost-free minor league system, and I think that does more bad than good, for both the sports in question, and the students at these schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 05:23 PM) ND will get rejected as long as they are so strict with their athlete academic requirements. Yeah, its really hurt their recruiting classes..... Maybe its just time to admit that Notre Dame isnt a football power anymore, and isnt a destination that athletes seek out. Those days are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 05:09 PM) If I am in Notre Dame's inner circle and we get rejected by Urban and Stoops, I call The Old Ball Coach. He left Florida because fans werent satisfied with 10-2 seasons. Plus Spurrier isnt the recruiter ND needs. Notre Dame should throw the bank at Butch Davis. He built the most talented team in NCAA history in the 2001 Miami team from probation in a handful of years. And now he's made UNC into a respectable football school. There might not be a better eye than his when it comes to scouting talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 06:06 PM) Yeah, its really hurt their recruiting classes..... Maybe its just time to admit that Notre Dame isnt a football power anymore, and isnt a destination that athletes seek out. Those days are over. Since Weis has been at ND havent they consistently had top 10-5 recruiting classes? I dont think the problem is that athletes didnt want to come to ND, I think the problem was that there wasnt someone who could coach them up, especially on the defensive side. If Quinn or Clausen ever had a bad day, ND was totally f***ed. That defense was a sieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 04:06 PM) Yeah, its really hurt their recruiting classes..... Maybe its just time to admit that Notre Dame isnt a football power anymore, and isnt a destination that athletes seek out. Those days are over. ND was still pulling some huge recruits, the problem was they couldn't coach them up. They will be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 06:38 PM) Since Weis has been at ND havent they consistently had top 10-5 recruiting classes? I dont think the problem is that athletes didnt want to come to ND, I think the problem was that there wasnt someone who could coach them up, especially on the defensive side. If Quinn or Clausen ever had a bad day, ND was totally f***ed. That defense was a sieve. I was being sarcastic, I didnt think I needed the green. They have the players clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 06:56 PM) I was being sarcastic, I didnt think I needed the green. They have the players clearly. Yeah, academics are a lame excuse. I don't understand why a high school athlete would want to go to Notre Dame. They offer nothing that isn't matched or topped by several other programs that don't have the handicap of playing in Indiana. The regional recruiting for the midwest (Ohio and Pennsylvania are up there, but that's not where Notre Dame is) isn't as good as Texas, Florida or California. Many of the other top programs are in those areas. Notre Dame can't expect to be a top tier program when they are #4 in terms of current prestige among the midwest (behind Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State), which isn't as deep as the areas mentioned. Despite all that they've still recruited supposed top talent, so why are academics a valid excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) Yeah, academics are a lame excuse. I don't understand why a high school athlete would want to go to Notre Dame. They offer nothing that isn't matched or topped by several other programs that don't have the handicap of playing in Indiana. The regional recruiting for the midwest (Ohio and Pennsylvania are up there, but that's not where Notre Dame is) isn't as good as Texas, Florida or California. Many of the other top programs are in those areas. Notre Dame can't expect to be a top tier program when they are #4 in terms of current prestige among the midwest (behind Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State), which isn't as deep as the areas mentioned. Despite all that they've still recruited supposed top talent, so why are academics a valid excuse? ND used to historically pull alot of the top catholic players from all over, Penn, NJ, Ill, Ohio, it didnt matter. Nowadays its more important to play for a big time school with serious facilities and a pipeline to the NFL. The states you mentioned all have a top tier football program that takes the best talent in the state. I understand ND WANTS to compete for a national title every year, but its extremely hard for ANY program to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Nov 28, 2009 -> 10:49 PM) Sounds like Bowden's coaching days at FSU are done. I am happy he is retiring, but I am still proud to say I have met and worked for a legend. I just wish he could of gone out on a better note, but I just do not want to sit around while he runs this program into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 You'll see me on ESPN this Saturday at 3:30 as GVSU takes on Carson-Newman in the DII National Semifinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Another Florida Gator player arrested today. This time its starting DE Carlos Dunlap for DUI. Let's see if Meyer finds a way to let this kid play. undefined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (zenryan @ Dec 1, 2009 -> 08:12 AM) Another Florida Gator player arrested today. This time its starting DE Carlos Dunlap for DUI. Let's see if Meyer finds a way to let this kid play. undefined Give Meyer some credit, I'm sure he will suspend him for one game.....September 4, 2010 vs. Miami (Ohio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Anyone else think the timing of Weis' firing is stupid? Why not wait until after the bowl game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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