RockRaines Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 05:25 PM) Then youll get arguments such as: No one would play TCU, etc. A lot of the problem is that the schedule is made years in advance that some times what looked like a good game turns out to be bad one. How do basketball teams figure that out then? I see top programs playing top ones consistently. Out of conference matchups need to be a staple of teams that really want to be national champions, bar none. Every national championship team has played a difficult game out of conference that I can remember, or in the case of the SEC, a downright brutal title game. I dont know, those teams need to not be scared of playing a better team. Cincy should have OSU on their schedule every year IMO. TCU should play Texas, Boise should continue to play Pac-10 top tier teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Rock, What if Texas refuses to play TCU, or OSU wont play Cincy? How is that remedied? Basketball is easier because there are 30 games and about 13 are OOC. In football you have 12 games, 4 OOC and if you lose 1 you may have just ruined your chance at a NC title game. There is no incentive for OSU to play Cincy. If OSU goes undefeated, they likely are in the NC game, all playing Cinci does is add risk. Edited December 7, 2009 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 11:17 PM) They could have played someone better than they did. If they beat numerous ranked opponents and another team didnt, then they would be ranked higher than them. Pretty straight forward actually. But could they have really played someone better than they did? They can't control their conference games and the big boys don't WANT to play them non-conference. Alabama was too busy playing North Texas and Florida International. Texas was too busy playing Wyoming, Louisiana-Monroe, and UTEP. Florida was too busy playing Charleston Southern, Troy, and (hey!) Florida International. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 11:28 PM) How do basketball teams figure that out then? I see top programs playing top ones consistently. Out of conference matchups need to be a staple of teams that really want to be national champions, bar none. Basketball teams will play powerhouses because they're resume boosters unless you get blown out. Most football teams don't want to risk an L, especially not to a non-BCS conference school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And there are still a lot of cupcake schedules that go across the board in NCAA basketball as well because nobody wants to risk losing to a mid-major. Maryland and Syracuse catch flak every year for this reason. And Badger, the goal can be making money AND crowning a true champion, they are not mutually exclusive. Everyone loves an underdog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 03:00 PM) I got Iowa in that game. And where are you hearing this about Henderson? Is he even taking a visit to Iowa City? Top school are supposed to be USC, OSU, and Fla He's already made an unofficial visit to Iowa and now there have been some rumors trickling out about him moving Iowa up on the radar. We'll see what happens, but he has continued to mention Iowa in his list of 8 schools. I don't know how much I believe Iowa is the front-runner, but I think they are a top 4 option. They have one of the best coaches in the country, have a history under that coach of having Olineman drafted high, and that coach specializes in the oline where he had coached in the pro's. Above that he'd be going to a school within driving distance for his family to still attend the games. A lot lines up, but I still personally think OSU has a bit of the lead as they clearly are the bigger name school. I don't think he leaves his family, everything I've read about the kid indicates he'll stay with his family. The other big lure is he is a two sport star and wants to play basketball so if a team were to offer that avenue up it might sweeten the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 My predictions looked smart...Harbaugh has been contacted about the ND job. I think he'd be a tremendous hire. Maybe not a big name to those not familiar with the Pac 10, but he's done a hell of a job at Stanford and is going to do some pretty big things. He's not Meyer or Stoops, but I think he's excellent and could actually be a better get than Kelly. Plus, having his pro connections should be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 The only reason id be surprised about a Harbaugh hire is that he went to Michigan and would have a good chance to coach there in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 07:17 PM) And there are still a lot of cupcake schedules that go across the board in NCAA basketball as well because nobody wants to risk losing to a mid-major. Maryland and Syracuse catch flak every year for this reason. And Badger, the goal can be making money AND crowning a true champion, they are not mutually exclusive. Everyone loves an underdog. Playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 07:29 PM) My predictions looked smart...Harbaugh has been contacted about the ND job. I think he'd be a tremendous hire. Maybe not a big name to those not familiar with the Pac 10, but he's done a hell of a job at Stanford and is going to do some pretty big things. He's not Meyer or Stoops, but I think he's excellent and could actually be a better get than Kelly. Plus, having his pro connections should be helpful. He just said on Monday Night Countdown(he is in GB watching his brother) that he has not or will not talk to ND about the job and that he has not been contacted. The AD for Stanford also said that he is 99% sure Harbaugh will be at Stanford next year, and hes really good friends with Swarbrick. So the earlier rumor today about him interviewing along with Kelly looks to be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 07:29 PM) My predictions looked smart...Harbaugh has been contacted about the ND job. I think he'd be a tremendous hire. Maybe not a big name to those not familiar with the Pac 10, but he's done a hell of a job at Stanford and is going to do some pretty big things. He's not Meyer or Stoops, but I think he's excellent and could actually be a better get than Kelly. Plus, having his pro connections should be helpful. A winning Stanford coach who was supposed to revive ND... haven't I heard that one before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 The Sun Times reported on Saturday that the ND coach could be named on Sunday with Stoops the frontrunner. It never happened. How come Cowley did pop off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 08:38 PM) Playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 05:32 PM) Rock, What if Texas refuses to play TCU, or OSU wont play Cincy? How is that remedied? Basketball is easier because there are 30 games and about 13 are OOC. In football you have 12 games, 4 OOC and if you lose 1 you may have just ruined your chance at a NC title game. There is no incentive for OSU to play Cincy. If OSU goes undefeated, they likely are in the NC game, all playing Cinci does is add risk. True. I know from experience that OSU will play almost any in state team and isnt afraid of scheduling OOC opponents like Texas, USC, Miami, VT, Navy etc. BUt I agree that there are some issues with all teams wanting to make life easier on themselves rather than test their teams. Teams like OSU have proven that cupcake schedules without a loss are just as good as a tough road with 1 or 2 losses if not better. Thats largely the problem in CFB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Looks like Brian Kelly of Cinci is very close to being the new ND head coach... According to Schad's online story found right HERE, "things are heating up" between the Irish and Kelly, and the process that would make Kelly the new Irish coach could be completed in a couple of days. Talks between athletic director Jack Swarbrick and the soon-to-be-former UC head coach are expected to continue, but no formal interview will take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I was just reading that Kelly's stance on abortion is coming into play. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 03:04 PM) Looks like Brian Kelly of Cinci is very close to being the new ND head coach... Ya and earlier today Kelly was staying put, and Randy Edsall was the odds on favorite. This thing changes by the hour, and Swarbrick has done an amazing job keeping his search away from the media. Everything so far has just been speculation by people and none of it is coming true. So I'm done reading the garbage thats out there, and I'll wait for the announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 04:25 PM) I was just reading that Kelly's stance on abortion is coming into play. Unreal. I doubt that, since they had Obama speak there before and Kelly's Irish Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 QUOTE (kev211 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) I doubt that, since they had Obama speak there before and Kelly's Irish Catholic. The Obama thing really exploded that issue on catholics though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 Notre Dame is really going to look bad if Kelly passes. Stoops says no thanks. Meyer isnt interested. Kelly says no and Paul Johnson isnt interested. So basically the 5th choice finally agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (zenryan @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 11:34 PM) Stoops says no thanks. Meyer isnt interested. Kelly says no and Paul Johnson isnt interested. So basically the 5th choice finally agrees. Pretty much like the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 You would think that ND would have someone locked down by the time they fired Weis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 The Score (quoting a South Bend newspaper) just reported that Kelly will be named the new ND coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 It was on ESPN as well that Kelly will be the ND Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'm fine with this. Now pay top dollar and land some top notch assistants and recruiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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