lostfan Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) You're kidding right? There's already several comments on here clearly stating or directly implying that Ozzie screwed him up. I'm done with it FOREVER. Just trade him and make it go away. True or false (the fact that he currently sucks notwithstanding, and this question is to be read at face value): During the course of his development and with the benefit of hindsight, there are points where the Sox, specifically Ozzie, should have done things differently. Also true or false: Soxtalk posters almost unanimously agree that Anderson isn't the answer at CF anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Would you say this year that in situations (especially recently, which sadly is what counts on this earth...what-have-you-done-for-me-lately)......... Wise has delivered in recent weeks, whereas BA in his last consistent stretch of getting on the field was mired in a slump? "delivered" meaning at least a little. which is the most we can hope from these guys with the bat. The thing is i think you throw batting out because these guys arent going to play much. It's defense vs. PR for the most part. I figured maybe I was missing something so I looked at the stats but Wise hit .190 in June and .207 in July...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) (the fact that he currently sucks notwithstanding, and this question is to be read at face value): If we qualify it this way, then Borchard was robbed. Mike Caruso may have been robbed. When do you quit on a guy? never? They pay these guys tons, and the org has to move on to the next good idea before the team suffers too much Edited July 23, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) The thing is i think you throw batting out because these guys arent going to play much. It's defense vs. PR for the most part. Which is the debate. Anderson is superior in defense and good enough on the base paths. Wise isn't Ricky Henderson, he's not a guaranteed steal or score from 2nd any more than Anderson is. And a PR is more important than good Defense? Ask Upton how that bad defensive play worked out last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 01:56 PM) I personally think pegging Wise as a bad defensive player is a creation of these boards. In close games, PR matters more than the difference in defense between Wise and BA. That skill is more likely to lead to a win. If Wise was a bad CF, I would agree with you guys. I dont think he is, however. We always hear about how bad he is there but the evidence lacks. Our bench does not have fast IFs. We need the PR skills. I totally disagree with this. I'll take a very good defensive replacement over a PR. And Wise is a poor CF, stats be damned. BA can read the ball off the bat and get to more fly balls than Wise ever dreamed of getting to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 03:25 PM) If we qualify it this way, then Borchard was robbed. Mike Caruso may have been robbed. When do you quit on a guy? never? They pay these guys tons, and the org has to move on to the next good idea before the team suffers too much Quitting on a guy? I'm not talking about that at all and I watered that question down too far for the sake of mass consumption. I'm talking about things like starting old and s***ty players over him after he wins the job over said old and s***ty player in ST. There wasn't really much doubt going into this year that he was close to out of chances with this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:29 PM) Quitting on a guy? I'm not talking about that at all and I watered that question down too far for the sake of mass consumption. I'm talking about things like starting old and s***ty players over him after he wins the job over said old and s***ty player in ST. There wasn't really much doubt going into this year that he was close to out of chances with this organization. Well the old guys they started had higher career #s than Anderson ever ended up producing. So it's like, if we throw out what we know now, Anderson could have developed if played more. But he has played in these last few years a good amount--and never developed, so how do we go back and fault them for win-now moves that put older guys in the lineup? When you're recently coming off a championship that was built largely from unexpected spare parts, then the temptation is there to go with another reclamation project over a youthful project (that already failed in 06) I guess there's that camp that thinks BA would be a completely different player if he had nonstop at-bats after 06. I am not in it. Edited July 23, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 same old s*** in here as usual. One thing though: BA is one of the worst baserunners on the team. He cant steal a base and has frequent brain farts. I like BA as much as the next guy, but its time to realize that his swing does not translate to the majors. He is a plus plus defensive CF'er and MAY be able to play in the NL every day, but on a contender, he is a 4th of'er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:37 PM) same old s*** in here as usual. One thing though: BA is one of the worst baserunners on the team. He cant steal a base and has frequent brain farts. I like BA as much as the next guy, but its time to realize that his swing does not translate to the majors. He is a plus plus defensive CF'er and MAY be able to play in the NL every day, but on a contender, he is a 4th of'er. Yes, agreed. But on a contender, his defense is way more valuable than anything Wise brings .... especially to this particular team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Right now would be a great time for BA in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 "And in other news, Brian Anderson today was traded for a bag of baseballs and a half-eaten pizza". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 See ya! Don't let your .220 career batting average hit your sorry ass on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:52 PM) Right now would be a great time for BA in CF. yasny, it has to be the pr thing. I, myself would like to think that I would like to think it is a personal thing. However; I think that the Nats would exchange Willie Harris for BA. Willie can play centerfield, hits lefty and can run. Still can't hit but with a change of scenery I see no reason why he couldn't raise his average from .235 to say .285 under the tutelage of Greg Walker. Edited July 23, 2009 by forrestg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) f*** it I'll go ahead and open the can of worms since I don't have anything else better to do and we were just on the subject of dicking around or questionable decisions... anyone remember the last time a Sox pitcher took a no-hitter into the 9th? Who was on the bench? How'd that turn out? In a perfect game going into the 9th today Pods plays the first 8 innings and Wise plays the last one. Wise > Pods in the field, result, perfect game. Just... you know... saying. Edited July 23, 2009 by lostfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Good for BA. He should be traded. He needs a fresh start/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Holy s*** Brian, looking back, could your timing have been any worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) BA actually does one thing well this year...time his "trade demand" to get completely buried by Buehrle and Wise, who is once-again the feel good story of redemption with Anderson completely forgotten about (except fan boys who claim he also would have made the same play but is now forever denied a place in our hearts as Sox fans due to Ozzie's vendetta against him). Edited July 24, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) And I can't say I blame you But I wish that I could I'm sick of writing every song about you Dont call my name out your window I'm leavin 1,000,000 cool points to you, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm surprised it took this long. He's not a good player, but he's gotten a bit of a raw deal. As far as Wise goes, that catch he made today will give him about another week or so in the clear, just because of the significance of it, but come August, no more free passes either (and I'm still pissed at him and Fields complaining about getting boo'ed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Im so sick of the line of argument that Anderson got a raw deal. He was the White Sox first pick, 15th over all. The White Sox gave him every chance to be the starter, most likely dealing Rowand because they thought that they had Anderson ready to take over. In 2006 he was the opening day starter, he played 134 games and had 405 PA and hit .225 for a team that won 90+ games. The White Sox cleared the way for him to be the starter, he cant blame anyone but himself. The Sox have been looking for a starting CF since the Rowand trade, if BA had anything to offer on a consistent basis he would have easily won the job. There is no BA conspiracy, he is a KW pick, he just has so far not performed like many other Sox draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:15 PM) There is no BA conspiracy, he is a KW pick, he just has so far not performed like many other Sox draft picks. Frankly, those prospects landed us other players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 His dude has had 4 years to get his s*** together and he hasn't done a thing at the plate to deserve a starting job. It's time we let him go and flop somewhere else...he's a defensive specialist and nothing else. Good-bye BA=1st round bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 03:29 AM) His dude has had 4 years to get his s*** together and he hasn't done a thing at the plate to deserve a starting job. It's time we let him go and flop somewhere else...he's a defensive specialist and nothing else. Good-bye BA=1st round bust. have you been crafting that response for 4 days since this thread died? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Nah,its not a response,it's my statement to Goldilocks request for a trade,notice I didn't quote anyone one in particular,just wanted to chime in on this bum's trade demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 We went to see the Charlotte Knights play Rochester on Saturday night. Brian Anderson was in CF for the Knights. He went 1 for 5 and for the most part looked not so good at the plate. I don't have the ability to make a scout quality assessment like Jason and some other posters here, but his swing has so many weaknesses. He was retired three times on off speed pitches low and away, twice stiking out and looking bad. In the bottom of the ninth he came up with the bases loaded and one out and grounded weakly to third forcing the winning run at home. He did have an RBI double, a screamer in the left center field gap, and did make a fine running catch in CF, but alas it looks like it will never click for him at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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