beck72 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Ken Rosenthal says that the Sox are looking at the O's George Sherrill, among many other arms on their "radar". Sherrill seems to be a big flyball pitcher, looking at his splits, with 2x as many FB outs than GB. Not sure if he'd be a fit. But the key is that the sox are knocking on a lot of doors looking to the bullpen. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9848430...n-A%27s-Cabrera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Once again, we're looking at definitely losing Flowers if we traded for Sherrill. I guess you take a good arm (right or left) wherever you can get it, but the White Sox will pay an additional premium because he's a LHP, and the biggest weakness in our pen right now (assuming Jenks is actually okay) has been Linebrink and to a lesser extent, Dotel and Carrasco. Although Pena has shown some flashes, he's been erratic, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) Once again, we're looking at definitely losing Flowers if we traded for Sherrill. I guess you take a good arm (right or left) wherever you can get it, but the White Sox will pay an additional premium because he's a LHP, and the biggest weakness in our pen right now (assuming Jenks is actually okay) has been Linebrink and to a lesser extent, Dotel and Carrasco. Although Pena has shown some flashes, he's been erratic, as well. The O's are said to be looking at a major league ready corner IFer. Flowers I wouldn't do for Sherrill, who is likely their best trade chip. The sox should look at a guy like Scott Downs. He gets groundballs, keeps walks down, and gets K's. With the Jays in cost cutting mode, they should want his salary [$3.75 mill., IIRC] off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'd love to get Sherrill and his pair shaped body, but the asking price seems like it would by way too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'd like to see us trade Dotel, Linebrink or Jenks for a package and then turn it around and send it elsewhere, adding a prospect or 2 of our own, to another team for an even better reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco72 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'm still not sure why the Sox are looking to add a second bullpen arm unless KW is actively shopping one of the current arms. Dotel clearly makes the most sense, but I find it a bit confusing either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The Orioles will be asking for Closer value for Sherrill where as the Sox would be using him as their 2nd lefty out of the pen. Not a great fit for the Sox, you'd definitely have to overpay. It's like the Twins trading for Victor Martinez to be their backup catcher (extreme example), he's only going to start maybe 15 games for them the rest of the way but the Indians don't give a s*** they'd be asking for talent in return equivalent to that of a top 5 catcher in the game of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 09:49 PM) The O's are said to be looking at a major league ready corner IFer. Flowers I wouldn't do for Sherrill, who is likely their best trade chip. The sox should look at a guy like Scott Downs. He gets groundballs, keeps walks down, and gets K's. With the Jays in cost cutting mode, they should want his salary [$3.75 mill., IIRC] off the books. Downs would be ideal as he's a good groundball reliever who also strikes out quite a few hitters. But he's also the Jays closer right now, so he won't come cheap. Some guys I'd like to see us target (if we moved Dotel); Peter Moylan - Throws at a very high velocity and is a 66% GB reliever. His ERA should be lower (FIP at 2.81) so I think he'd be a good target, plus he's an Aussie to boot. Brad Ziegler - Another excellent groundball reliever who can close. Pedro Feliciano - The Mets are going nowhere, and he's been a good reliever for a few seasons. Decent GB rate of 58%. David Weathers - Not a great GB reliever, but he's experienced, got good numbers, and the Reds are slipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 12:05 PM) Downs would be ideal as he's a good groundball reliever who also strikes out quite a few hitters. But he's also the Jays closer right now, so he won't come cheap. Some guys I'd like to see us target (if we moved Dotel); Peter Moylan - Throws at a very high velocity and is a 66% GB reliever. His ERA should be lower (FIP at 2.81) so I think he'd be a good target, plus he's an Aussie to boot. Brad Ziegler - Another excellent groundball reliever who can close. Pedro Feliciano - The Mets are going nowhere, and he's been a good reliever for a few seasons. Decent GB rate of 58%. David Weathers - Not a great GB reliever, but he's experienced, got good numbers, and the Reds are slipping. Yanks want Downs big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:11 AM) Yanks want Downs big time. Yeah but will Riccardi want to trade within the division? If he packaged Halladay and Downs to the Yanks in 1 deal though, he could certainly get a HUGE package back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) Yeah but will Riccardi want to trade within the division? If he packaged Halladay and Downs to the Yanks in 1 deal though, he could certainly get a HUGE package back. Depends on the price. Downs was the reason why the Phils and Yanks were the only teams scouting the Jays last night. With the Yanks only looking at Downs Edited July 25, 2009 by AWhiteSoxinNJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 03:50 PM) The Orioles will be asking for Closer value for Sherrill where as the Sox would be using him as their 2nd lefty out of the pen. Not a great fit for the Sox, you'd definitely have to overpay. It's like the Twins trading for Victor Martinez to be their backup catcher (extreme example), he's only going to start maybe 15 games for them the rest of the way but the Indians don't give a s*** they'd be asking for talent in return equivalent to that of a top 5 catcher in the game of baseball. That's another reason why Sherrill doesn't make a lot of sense. Though, if the sox fail to get an "elite" SP, getting an elite bullpen arm is a decent back up plan--as long as the asking price outrageous. I guess knowing the asking price for a player--elite or not--is smart business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 11:05 AM) David Weathers - Not a great GB reliever, but he's experienced, got good numbers, and the Reds are slipping. I've been predicting it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) Downs just had his third straight loss or blown save. He spent some time on the DL in June. I am not sure that he's healthy. Edited July 25, 2009 by JorgeFabregas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Sox want a left handed arm for the pen to go with Thornton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 How about Arthur "Rocky" Rhodes? KW came close to signing him before the 2004 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 04:15 PM) Sox want a left handed arm for the pen to go with Thornton. Then Joe Beimel (WAS) and Arthur Rhodes (CIN) make a whole hell of a lot more sense than trading for a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 02:28 PM) Then Joe Beimel (WAS) and Arthur Rhodes (CIN) make a whole hell of a lot more sense than trading for a closer. I agree. The Sox have definately targeted Sherril but the Angels and Dodgers both have bigger needs in the pen and ultimately I can't see giving up a big chip to get a reliever after the Sox already traded Brandon Allen for one. If we use our top prospects, use them on Dan Haren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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