Guest wsc425 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 http://hometown.aol.com/whitesoxchamp425/m...age/sports.html" target="_blank">Pic of me and Koch Scroll down to see it...I'm on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Who is that dude on the right? He sorta looks like that mop-up guy on the Sox...uhh whats his name uhhh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I wouldn't be caught in a pile of donkey s*** with that sorry f***....f*** BILLY SNOCH.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I wouldn't post that on the internet, it's Billy Botch for god's sake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Nice wsc....where is that, a videogame store? All you others, you make it sound like the guy is the 2nd coming of Jamie Navarro. His numbers are NOT THAT bad. Yeah, he has struggled, but come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Nice wsc....where is that, a videogame store? All you others, you make it sound like the guy is the 2nd coming of Jamie Navarro. His numbers are NOT THAT bad. Yeah, he has struggled, but come on! If you'd like to see someone pose with a real bald icon instead of Billy Botch, check this out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 If you'd like to see someone pose with a real bald icon instead of Billy Botch, check this out... I'm left speechless after that....that was a joke right, abozichu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 If you'd like to see someone pose with a real bald icon instead of Billy Botch, check this out... I'm left speechless after that....that was a joke right, abozichu? Yes, but it was a good one if it left you speechless and well worth my time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 All you others, you make it sound like the guy is the 2nd coming of Jamie Navarro. He's pretty close to Navarro in terms of effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 He's pretty close to Navarro in terms of effectiveness. Yes, 11 out of 15 save opps is AWFUL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Yes, 11 out of 15 save opps is AWFUL!!! Giving up a walk-off HR to Carl Crawford who hadn't homered since opening day is AWFUL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Being the teams Ace, and starting the season 2-10 is awful, but Buehrle turned it around...who's to say Koch won't either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Being the teams Ace, and starting the season 2-10 is awful, but Buehrle turned it around...who's to say Koch won't either? The difference is that we needed Buehrle to turn it around because we had nowhere else to turn. On the other hand, if Flash pitches well and we are playing well, there's no reason to throw Koch back in there and let him blow a few more games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Being the teams Ace, and starting the season 2-10 is awful, but Buehrle turned it around...who's to say Koch won't either? I'm all for giving Botch a chance to turn it around..... on another team in '03 or '04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 The difference acutally is that Buehrle got the opportunity to straighten it out, Koch apparently may not. I'm sorry, but starting 2-10, and having blown 4 saves out of the first 15 is NO WHERE CLOSE in terms of a letdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 The difference acutally is that Buehrle got the opportunity to straighten it out, Koch apparently may not. I'm sorry, but starting 2-10, and having blown 4 saves out of the first 15 is NO WHERE CLOSE in terms of a letdown. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Buehrle had the 2nd worst run support in the AL during that span and it was agreed that he'd pitched well enough to be near .500. It wasn't his fault that he wasn't allowed to give up a run or face the prospect of losing a game. I think most people would agree that Billy Koch has cost this team a lot more this season than Buehrle... Here's my new saying... Don't blame Buehrle, Blame Billy Botch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 How many of these games did run support matter in? Jun 11 SFO L 4-11 L 4.1 6 8 8 2 3 4 2 10 0 0 90.1 5.18 .292 Jun 6 @ LOS L 1-2 L 6.0 4 2 2 1 0 6 2 9 0 0 86.0 4.60 .291 Jun 1 @ CLE L 4-5 - 6.1 6 1 1 0 2 4 2 8 0 0 80.0 4.72 .297 Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS IP ERA BAA May 26 @ TOR L 5-11 L 6.0 5 6 2 0 2 1 2 8 0 0 73.2 5.01 .300 May 21 TOR W 6-5 - 6.0 10 5 5 0 4 4 2 7 0 0 67.2 5.19 .306 May 16 @ MIN L 3-18 L 3.1 10 10 9 1 2 0 2 7 0 0 61.2 4.96 .299 May 11 @ SEA L 2-7 L 5.0 9 5 4 2 6 3 2 6 0 0 58.1 3.86 .280 May 6 @ OAK L 0-6 L 7.1 7 6 2 1 2 2 2 5 0 0 53.1 3.54 .267 Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS IP ERA BAA Apr 30 OAK L 1-4 L 6.0 9 4 4 1 1 2 2 4 0 0 46.0 3.72 .272 Apr 25 MIN L 1-6 L 7.0 5 3 3 0 2 4 2 3 0 0 40.0 3.38 .257 Apr 20 CLE L 4-7 L 4.1 11 7 7 3 2 2 2 2 0 0 33.0 3.27 .264 Koch's pitching resulted in 6 DIRECT losses where the score was either tied, or we were ahead when he came in. Buehrle's count is 9, where he gave up 4 or more runs in a game that was lost by the Sox. I'm not saying anything bad about Buehrle, but I think that when Gordon falters, and he will, Koch should be given his job back. Foulke struggled early last year, JM took the job from him, and FOulke was the best bullpen pitcher in the second half last year. Do we ever learn from our mistakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Foulke struggled early last year, JM took the job from him, and FOulke was the best bullpen pitcher in the second half last year. Do we ever learn from our mistakes? Koch ain't Foulke. Woe be the day in the second half of '03, especially if we are in serious contention for the AL Central, that Sox fans will have to depend on Billy Botch to close games with a 1-run lead. If it comes down to that, we're screwed. Even when Botch was "on" his game, he'd be lucky if he pitched 1-2-3 in an inning 1/3rd of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I don't really understand why we need to give Koch a chance to earn he closer sport back when Gordon has been flawless in that role so far, since being appointed closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I'll have confidence in him, cause I know that if all is right with his arm(which is another issue completely), he can get the job done. I always find it interesting how so many people could b**** about Foulke the way he started 2002, then love him when he is traded away from the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Giving up a walk-off HR to Carl Crawford who hadn't homered since opening day is AWFUL... Never mind the fact that Carl Crawford is cross-eyed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I don't really understand why we need to give Koch a chance to earn he closer sport back when Gordon has been flawless in that role so far, since being appointed closer. I said that when Gordon falters, and he will, that Koch should be given his job back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I'll have confidence in him, cause I know that if all is right with his arm(which is another issue completely), he can get the job done. I always find it interesting how so many people could b**** about Foulke the way he started 2002, then love him when he is traded away from the team. I never b****ed about Foulke, I'm a fan of his and always will be.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I said that when Gordon falters, and he will, that Koch should be given his job back. If Koch can't get his velocity back up, why should he be rewarded the closer role. Until he proves that he can be effective in getting outs again, I believe Marte is a little higher on the depth chart than Koch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I always find it interesting how so many people could b**** about Foulke the way he started 2002, then love him when he is traded away from the team. Just for the record, I was against the Botch/Foulke deal from the day it happened and many on this board will back me up when I say that I was advocating JM give KF his closing job back in the second half of '02 when his ERA was a miniscule 1. But KW had other plans for KF obviously. Like trading his All-Star ass to Oakland for a guy with half the saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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