rangercal Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 For those who don't know, 4chan started LOL Cats, Rick Rolling and made Chocolate Rain Popular. They are also a group that started "Anonymous" and were behind in hacking Sarah Palin's email account. http://stormen.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/att-blocks-4chan/ My take..... I don't agree with everything 4chan stands for, but this seems like a step towards net neutrality. Who is to say a site like Soxtalk will exist 20 years from now? Nonetheless, this story should get VERY interesting. 4chan is the last site you want to mess with. *grabs popcorn* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) For those who don't know, 4chan started LOL Cats, Rick Rolling and made Chocolate Rain Popular. They are also a group that started "Anonymous" and were behind in hacking Sarah Palin's email account. http://stormen.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/att-blocks-4chan/ My take..... I don't agree with everything 4chan stands for, but this seems like a step towards net neutrality. Who is to say a site like Soxtalk will exist 20 years from now? Nonetheless, this story should get VERY interesting. 4chan is the last site you want to mess with. *grabs popcorn* f*** Net Neutrality. Any site that is either affiliated or responsible for hacking/malware/phishing/crap should be blocked. And 4Chan's pub makes them more scary than they really are. A Russian Botnet, or Chinese malware with a vm kicker is a hell of a lot more scary than some mopes dressing up and protesting who use a social engineering attack on another mope who ran for VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I agree with ssi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 /b/ is the ultimate test on the first amendment. Stupid to see it blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) Nonetheless, this story should get VERY interesting. 4chan is the last site you want to mess with. *grabs popcorn* AT&T HQs can be expecting a lot of pizza deliveries today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) AT&T HQs can be expecting a lot of pizza deliveries today. I doubt it. They are going to be too busy at Blackhat in Vegas playing spot the fed, driving in the cannonball run, attack and defend and other associated "hacker" games. I will be at the same conference hopefully getting some more info on malware analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 It was a temporary response t a DoS problem. http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800...articleid=26970 Beginning Friday, an AT&T customer was impacted by a denial-of-service attack stemming from IP addresses connected to img.4chan.org. To prevent this attack from disrupting service for the impacted AT&T customer, and to prevent the attack from spreading to impact our other customers, AT&T temporarily blocked access to the IP addresses in question for our customers. This action was in no way related to the content at img.4chan.org; our focus was on protecting our customers from malicious traffic. Overnight Sunday, after we determined the denial-of-service threat no longer existed, AT&T removed the block on the IP addresses in question. We will continue to monitor for denial-of-service activity and any malicious traffic to protect our customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:05 AM) f*** Net Neutrality. Any site that is either affiliated or responsible for hacking/malware/phishing/crap should be blocked. And 4Chan's pub makes them more scary than they really are. A Russian Botnet, or Chinese malware with a vm kicker is a hell of a lot more scary than some mopes dressing up and protesting who use a social engineering attack on another mope who ran for VP. That's not really what 4chan is. It's just something that they happened to do. They don't claim to be scary in any regard, nor do they make it a habit to target companies or specific people. It's just a showing of what a large social site can do when they all group together. Reddit.com has pulled some tricks of the same ilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (BobDylan @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:31 PM) That's not really what 4chan is. It's just something that they happened to do. They don't claim to be scary in any regard, nor do they make it a habit to target companies or specific people. It's just a showing of what a large social site can do when they all group together. Reddit.com has pulled some tricks of the same ilk. If the site is launching a DoS attack, its beyond just a group getting together as a social site for a common cause. It doesn't matter that they target a specific company or people. When they fling packets into the dark abyss, everything on its path is affected. That affects other companies as well as other entities. Internet traffic for the most part, passes from ISP to ISP via peering agreements. So when they wind up and throw their packets to the wind at ISP B, they might traverse 3 ISP hops and affect the transit routers and other customers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 4Chan is such a sleezy site. I've felt dirty every time I go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 11:27 PM) If the site is launching a DoS attack, its beyond just a group getting together as a social site for a common cause. It doesn't matter that they target a specific company or people. When they fling packets into the dark abyss, everything on its path is affected. That affects other companies as well as other entities. Internet traffic for the most part, passes from ISP to ISP via peering agreements. So when they wind up and throw their packets to the wind at ISP B, they might traverse 3 ISP hops and affect the transit routers and other customers as well. I don't give a s*** what a DoS attack is. Blocking the site, which didn't do the DoS attack itself (as far as I know), doesn't solve the issue, does it? You just don't go around and punish people who have AT&T internet because a few people banded together and did something stupid. That's ridiculous. It's an ugly path they're walking down and I'd hate to see other companies follow them. Thankfully it appears that AT&T only temporarily blocked the site. Edited July 28, 2009 by BobDylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:34 AM) 4Chan is such a sleezy site. I've felt dirty every time I go there. I have to agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (BobDylan @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 05:07 AM) I don't give a s*** what a DoS attack is. Blocking the site, which didn't do the DoS attack itself (as far as I know), doesn't solve the issue, does it? You just don't go around and punish people who have AT&T internet because a few people banded together and did something stupid. That's ridiculous. It's an ugly path they're walking down and I'd hate to see other companies follow them. Thankfully it appears that AT&T only temporarily blocked the site. The attack was sourced from img.4chan.org, which is the same IP that houses www.4chan.org. This is why it got blocked. And I hate to break it to you, but this is normal operating procedure to deal with attacks on the internet, especially DoS attacks. Someone sends an abuse request to the ISP, they investigate, and then take the node offline if there is evidence of malicious behavior. If I started to attack one of my competitors, my ISP would probably take me offline temporarily, contact me as the abuse contact to investigate my site for evidence of compromise or to eliminate the threat. Once this happened, they would bring my connection back up online. Hell, when we got an IP address block from one of our ISPs, the previous owners of the block were on a blacklist and we couldnt get ourselves off of it. We had to change IP addresses so we could operate on the internet properly. And yes a single person, or a few banded together that does something stupid can affect you and your company and your website. Their DNS records for 4chan img.4chan.org. 0 IN A 208.69.36.130 www.4chan.org. 0 IN A 208.69.36.130 Edited July 28, 2009 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 09:45 AM) The attack was sourced from img.4chan.org, which is the same IP that houses www.4chan.org. This is why it got blocked. And I hate to break it to you, but this is normal operating procedure to deal with attacks on the internet, especially DoS attacks. Someone sends an abuse request to the ISP, they investigate, and then take the node offline if there is evidence of malicious behavior. If I started to attack one of my competitors, my ISP would probably take me offline temporarily, contact me as the abuse contact to investigate my site for evidence of compromise or to eliminate the threat. Once this happened, they would bring my connection back up online. Hell, when we got an IP address block from one of our ISPs, the previous owners of the block were on a blacklist and we couldnt get ourselves off of it. We had to change IP addresses so we could operate on the internet properly. And yes a single person, or a few banded together that does something stupid can affect you and your company and your website. Their DNS records for 4chan img.4chan.org. 0 IN A 208.69.36.130 www.4chan.org. 0 IN A 208.69.36.130 You seem to be missing my point. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Not that I know how this stuff works, but why would it go through 4chan? The owner surely wasn't the one behind this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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