CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Cubs get Ramirez and Lofton from Pirates for Jose Hernandez, Brubeck (?), and a PtbNL. Not sure if I heard that Brubeck guy's name correctly. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Yes let Lofton destroy the other Chicago team for a while with his incosistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Cubs get Ramirez and Lofton from Pirates for Jose Hernandez, Brubeck (?), and a PtbNL. Not sure if I heard that Brubeck guy's name correctly. Interesting. Why would they want Jose Hernandez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 LOL...yeah...Lofton will help some. I know Ramirez has been very shaky since a great 2001 season. But in the end they are who they are....THE CUBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Author Share Posted July 23, 2003 Ramirez definitely is an upgrade over Hernandez though. Cubs get lucky as f*** again. Pittsburgh announced today that they are trading everyone they have at the ML level if someone wants them and they'll likely, by this trade, take any offer involving prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Matt Bruback is a pitcher in the Cubs system. He was at AA West Tenn last year, don't recall if he was there earlier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Ramirez definitely is an upgrade over Hernandez though. Cubs get lucky as f*** again. Pittsburgh announced today that they are trading everyone they have at the ML level if someone wants them and they'll likely, by this trade, take any offer involving prospects. not only pit but ana and tor as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Author Share Posted July 23, 2003 Matt Bruback Thanks Rex Here's too Matt Bruback becoming the next Nolan Ryan ..... and the PtbNL becoming the next Barry Bonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Ramirez definitely is an upgrade over Hernandez though. Cubs get lucky as f*** again. Pittsburgh announced today that they are trading everyone they have at the ML level if someone wants them and they'll likely, by this trade, take any offer involving prospects. Can we trade them KW and a pack of M&M's for Brian Giles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Bruback is solid if I recall. Great move by the Cubs, especially since I don't think Cruz would be a PTBNL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 It looks like we gave up a hell of a lot more for Everett than the Cubs did for Ramirez and Lofton. I guess the money involved was part of the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 What the hell.. Ramirez and Lofton for nothing! We should try to screw them over for Giles.. Carlos Lee and some s***ty ass prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPSOX12 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Eh!! This trade isnt as good as it looks. Ramirez carries a hefty salary and he is already washed up at the age of 24. He took his big money contract and ran. He will be a big flop. As for Lofton he will be a good replacement in cf. Do the pirates have any relief pitching that the sox could cash in on that would be worth while? JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I'm just glad we don't have Lofton. Yuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I think picking up Giles would be really nice if all the Pirates are doing is looking to dump salary. Sox could move Lee and a prospect to them and the Sox can use Everett in left with Giles in center. If that offense can't produce then who knows. I'd hit Everett in the 2 hole and Giles in the 5 hole behind Maggs with Konerko in the 6 hole, Jose in the 7, Crede in the 8 and Olivo/Alomar in the 9 hole. Then if the Sox want they can use one of their bench bats not named Graffy to acquire a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Author Share Posted July 23, 2003 Eh!! This trade isnt as good as it looks. Ramirez carries a hefty salary and he is already washed up at the age of 24. He took his big money contract and ran. He will be a big flop. Take it for what it's worth, but Chimp said that the sCrUBS will have Ramirez wrapped up through '04. If that's the case, the sCrUBS have a better 3B from now till the end of '04..... barring injury...... than they have had for a long time..... exception being Mueller. WTF ever happened to the franchise Kevin Orie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Take it for what it's worth, but Chimp said that the sCrUBS will have Ramirez wrapped up through '04. If that's the case, the sCrUBS have a better 3B from now till the end of '04..... barring injury...... than they have had for a long time. 24 and hitting .280. I wouldn't complain about that. Especially since they had Lenny Freaking Harris playing 3rd. Lofton is also a huge upgrade over Goodwin. I will give the Cubs credit; Hendry made what looks to be an exceptional deal. If those guys blow up, so what, they tried and at the time the deal was made it definately made sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASHWOUND Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I think picking up Giles would be really nice if all the Pirates are doing is looking to dump salary. Sox could move Lee and a prospect to them and the Sox can use Everett in left with Giles in center. If that offense can't produce then who knows. I'd hit Everett in the 2 hole and Giles in the 5 hole behind Maggs with Konerko in the 6 hole, Jose in the 7, Crede in the 8 and Olivo/Alomar in the 9 hole. Then if the Sox want they can use one of their bench bats not named Graffy to acquire a reliever. That would be highway robbery if we get pull out the Giles trade you just suggested... But i doubt that will happen..there's gonna be another team outthere who can probably offer up better players.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I think picking up Giles would be really nice if all the Pirates are doing is looking to dump salary. Sox could move Lee and a prospect to them and the Sox can use Everett in left with Giles in center. If that offense can't produce then who knows. I'd hit Everett in the 2 hole and Giles in the 5 hole behind Maggs with Konerko in the 6 hole, Jose in the 7, Crede in the 8 and Olivo/Alomar in the 9 hole. Then if the Sox want they can use one of their bench bats not named Graffy to acquire a reliever. That would be highway robbery if we get pull out the Giles trade you just suggested... But i doubt that will happen..there's gonna be another team outthere who can probably offer up better players.. IT wouldn't be all that bad if the Sox gave them Lee and Rauch. Rauch may develop but I don't see it happening with the Sox, especially with Honel, Wing, Cotts, Pacheco and Rupe their. Of course this trade is easier to make if the Sox only lose one arm in the Everett deal. The Pirates get a potential solid starter and a solid outfielder that is younger then Giles. Sox get a stud outfielder that will be an all star and is signed for the next couple years. Pirates also have Jeff Suppan on the block and I think you could even pry him if the Sox wanted an additional starter. I know HSC wanted the Sox to sign Suppan in the offseason. This is all assuming that the Pirates pay Lee's salary and the Sox pay all of Giles and Suppan's salary. I'd do the trade even if Suppan wasn't a part of it. But KW better not make the deal if its only Suppan Giles is signed for a few more years at like 6 or 8 mill a season. This season he's hitting .301 with 10 hr's and 48 RBI. He has a .438 OBP. This season he's struck out 34 times while walking 61. That would be an awesome addition to the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I think picking up Giles would be really nice if all the Pirates are doing is looking to dump salary. Sox could move Lee and a prospect to them and the Sox can use Everett in left with Giles in center. If that offense can't produce then who knows. I'd hit Everett in the 2 hole and Giles in the 5 hole behind Maggs with Konerko in the 6 hole, Jose in the 7, Crede in the 8 and Olivo/Alomar in the 9 hole. Then if the Sox want they can use one of their bench bats not named Graffy to acquire a reliever. That would be highway robbery if we get pull out the Giles trade you just suggested... But i doubt that will happen..there's gonna be another team outthere who can probably offer up better players.. IT wouldn't be all that bad if the Sox gave them Lee and Rauch. Rauch may develop but I don't see it happening with the Sox, especially with Honel, Wing, Cotts, Pacheco and Rupe their. Of course this trade is easier to make if the Sox only lose one arm in the Everett deal. The Pirates get a potential solid starter and a solid outfielder that is younger then Giles. Sox get a stud outfielder that will be an all star and is signed for the next couple years. Pirates also have Jeff Suppan on the block and I think you could even pry him if the Sox wanted an additional starter. I know HSC wanted the Sox to sign Suppan in the offseason. This is all assuming that the Pirates pay Lee's salary and the Sox pay all of Giles and Suppan's salary. I'd do the trade even if Suppan wasn't a part of it. But KW better not make the deal if its only Suppan Giles is signed for a few more years at like 6 or 8 mill a season. This season he's hitting .301 with 10 hr's and 48 RBI. He has a .438 OBP. This season he's struck out 34 times while walking 61. That would be an awesome addition to the lineup. in the last several trades, the sox were able to get players where the other team pick up the tab. we can afford to pay for salary in a trade. clee is trade bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASHWOUND Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I think picking up Giles would be really nice if all the Pirates are doing is looking to dump salary. Sox could move Lee and a prospect to them and the Sox can use Everett in left with Giles in center. If that offense can't produce then who knows. I'd hit Everett in the 2 hole and Giles in the 5 hole behind Maggs with Konerko in the 6 hole, Jose in the 7, Crede in the 8 and Olivo/Alomar in the 9 hole. Then if the Sox want they can use one of their bench bats not named Graffy to acquire a reliever. That would be highway robbery if we get pull out the Giles trade you just suggested... But i doubt that will happen..there's gonna be another team outthere who can probably offer up better players.. IT wouldn't be all that bad if the Sox gave them Lee and Rauch. Rauch may develop but I don't see it happening with the Sox, especially with Honel, Wing, Cotts, Pacheco and Rupe their. Of course this trade is easier to make if the Sox only lose one arm in the Everett deal. The Pirates get a potential solid starter and a solid outfielder that is younger then Giles. Sox get a stud outfielder that will be an all star and is signed for the next couple years. Pirates also have Jeff Suppan on the block and I think you could even pry him if the Sox wanted an additional starter. I know HSC wanted the Sox to sign Suppan in the offseason. This is all assuming that the Pirates pay Lee's salary and the Sox pay all of Giles and Suppan's salary. I'd do the trade even if Suppan wasn't a part of it. But KW better not make the deal if its only Suppan Giles is signed for a few more years at like 6 or 8 mill a season. This season he's hitting .301 with 10 hr's and 48 RBI. He has a .438 OBP. This season he's struck out 34 times while walking 61. That would be an awesome addition to the lineup. I guess we could've had a good possibility of getting Giles with Lee, Rauch, maybe (Porzio, or Sanders, or even Wright?) But isn't rauch hurt with elbow soreness? Would they take damage goods? Or Lee, Wright, Porzio, and whoever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Gammons says the Bucs will move Giles for so-so prospects, but that's only if the other team takes Jason Kendall and his 42 million over 4 years contract to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I was just talking to Mario and he mentioned that the Pirates are willing to unload Giles for not too much if a team is willing to take on Jason Kendall. Think, the Sox could take on Kendall and send Olivo to AAA. The key is the Sox get Giles to play center and wouldn't have to give up much. I'm sure the Pirates would have to pay a lot of the salaries though, but taking on Kendall means they could do it for less. Kendall is hitting .308 and could definately hit in the 2 hole. He has a .386 OBP Acquiring those two would give the Sox all the bats they need. And the rotatoin is there, although acquiring Ponson or an additional reliever would be great. The best part about this deal is its a long term thing. I'd freaking hug JR if he were willing to add the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 If the Pirates can't make expenses, maybe they are a candidate for contraction, new stadium and all. I'm sure they are trying to trade Kendall. Big contract. Re Giles, I would rather have given those three prime prospect to Pittsburgh for Giles than to the Rangers for Everett. Maybe we can get Kip back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 23, 2003 Author Share Posted July 23, 2003 This is all assuming that the Pirates pay Lee's salary and the Sox pay all of Giles and Suppan's salary. I'd do the trade even if Suppan wasn't a part of it. But KW better not make the deal if its only Suppan The whole reason why the Pirates team is available is because they are losing money. Don't look for Pittsburgh to deal anyone they'd have to pay the salary of anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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